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Apparently, an updated lift pump was adopted by DC in mid-'01 to address the high failure rate of pumps in our 24 valve engines.



Question is, WHAT were the "improvements" provided by the revised pumps, and have they been effective? As the owner of a new '02 truck, I am more than slightly interested in knowing if *I* face the same prospect of premature lift pump failure, or have lucked out with a later unit that sidesteps the issue...



Comments? Anyone with the post '01 1/2 24 valvers had lift pump failures?:confused:
 
Newest lift pumps

Sorry to dissappoint you, but even the very newest lift pump is still mounted too high and too far away from the fuel tank, and will suffer from the same failures as the earlier pumps.



My first pump lasted until 14. 5K, the second until 18. 9K, so I added a pusher pump to keep the second one alive. Then at 22K, I had to get some warrantee work done, so I removed the pusher and many other mods. The second lift pump couldn't develope over 5 psi on it's own, so it was warranteed by the dealer.



The third is getting weak after only a few hundred miles, so I reinstalled the pusher pump today.



The only answer is to add a pusher pump, and feed fuel to the lift pump. Install a fuel pressure gauge to monitor the pressure.



Hope you enjoy your new Truck.



Greg L The Noise Nazi
 
(Sigh!)



Thanks for the input Greg...



Out of all the reading on the subject to date, 2 truths seem to have emerged:



1. Some sort of pusher pump, located as near to the tank as possible, and supplying GOOD flow at around 5-9 lbs is needed to assist the stock lift pump, and...



2. Upgrading the diameter of the fuel line throughout the system to promoter better fuel volume.



With those 2 accomplished, the injector pump itself appears fully capable of long life and reliable operation - apparently, low fuel pressure and volume TO the injector pump is the basic culprit... :rolleyes: :(



But I *still* wonder what the "improvement" was supposed to be in the later lift pumps - they surely didn't switch them for no reason at all...
 
I just replaced mine yesterday at 18k miles on my 2002. On my 1998, I replaced it 7 times in 98k miles. Time to get a pusher pump installed I think.



Joel
 
Our 2002 only has 7800 miles, but it's still producing 16+ PSIG at idle and around 12 PSIG at WOT towing our 5ver. Not much different from new performance, at least yet! :rolleyes:



Rusty
 
Gary, here's a list of lift pump revisions that was posted by C1B1DIESEL a couple of months ago (thanks!):



here is a little history on the lift pumps and what changes were done to them and part Numbers. hope this helps

this is long. dont ask were it came from and i will not have to lie



CORRECTIVE ACTION SUMMARY



Below is a breif history of Lift Pump Part Number and associated

design/product changes:



12V 24V



3943467 3942802 Initial ISB Production



3944818 3942802 Added "saw cut" to the motor casing to better

detect leaks during production



3944508 Stainless Steel Valve Seat/Bronze Bushing for

the Internal Pressure Regulator



3945812 3945813 Some lift pumps were having a problem with

the internal wiring shorting to the magnet sleeve. The wiring

insulation was inadvertantly being

stripped from the wiring during assembly and during pump operation the

wires are shorting to the magnet sleeve.

Federal Mogul has changed the angularity of the wire lugs in the bottom

of the pump so the wires will enter behind the

magnet sleeve in a more direct manner, thereby reducing the chances of

stripping

the insulation. They also changed their end

of the line testing to look for this shorting problem during pump

operation. Federal Mogul is also adding a

radius to the top and the bottom of the magnet sleeve where the wires

travel behind the sleeve.



3948431 3948432 Corrosion of the connection of the pig tail

at the bottom of the pump was being seen. This was found to be to the

result of road salt acting as an electrolyte.

The electrical eye terminal was changed by the vendor from brass to

bronze. No corrosion is evident during similation

and salt fog tests with the bronze terminal. The mechanical properties

of the bronze meet or exceed that of the

brass and the vendor did conduct vibration test for further

verification. To further aid in corrosion

resistance, grease was added to each terminal at the Engine plant during

assembly.



3946151 3948070 The lift pump was updated with an

integral electrical connector. The integrated connector eliminates the

need for a pigtail type harness on the pump

and will eliminate the exposure of the pigtail to environmental elements.

Also updated was EMI reduction for the pump

due to an added capacitor to the internal circuit board and a Ferride bead

added to the connector.



3948431 (12V) and 3948432 (24V) where still

kept available for service because the wiring harness on older engines

where not long enough to plug into the integral adapter.



3938367 3938368 It was found the bearing material used

for the MFR. of bearings was not consistently uniform,leading to

variance in the pump performance. This

leads to change the bearing material to sintered iron from bronze.

There was also a change in armature shaft

geometry to straight one reduces the 100% inspection of the shafts.

These pumps have the integral connector.



For service, 3948431 (12V) was superceded to

3938435 (12V) and 3948434 (24V) was superceded to 3938436 (24V).

These pumps still maintain the pigtail wiring harness.



3990082 This is a service kit supercedes

3948431(12V). It includes 3938367 (12V) and a jumper harness (4025182) so

that it can be used on older engines with the

shorter lift pump connection wiring harness. 3938436 (24V) was superceded

to 3938368 (24V), but a kit was not created to

included the jumper harness, 4025182 must be ordered separately.







3990105 3990106 The lift pumps have been updated to include

hardened valve seat to reduce valve wear. The pump also reverts to a

prior use RFI circuit board due tocomponents being

detached and jamming the pump.



Service kit 3990082 was updated to include

3990105 (12V). 3938368 (24V) was superceded to 3990106 (24V), but a kit

was not created to included the jumper harness,

4025182 must be ordered separately.





III. IMPLEMENTATION SUMMARY

The supplier started building pumps with these corrective actions in the

first week of May 2001. The latest lift pumps, part number 3990105 and

3990106 when into production
 
WOW! Thanks for the VERY informative post Steve - looks like there's been LOTS of attention and effort taken to correct our problems with these pumps - and looks like there have been even MORE revisions since THAT list was first posted:



"The supplier started building pumps with these corrective actions in the

first week of May 2001. The latest lift pumps, part number 3990105 and

3990106 when into production"



I have noted that the latest part #'s for these pumps now have an "AA" extension added - so I guess they are STILL working on them!;)
 
Steve (or anyone in the know), had mine replaced 2 weeks ago. After they were finally convinced that the lift pump was bad (and that I knew a bit more than their common customer ) my dealer told me that they were given a number by the Star line (that number to be the most recent and not to use anything different), the pump was ordered while they were on the Star line, and they just soo happened to have 1 left in stock... (the parts manager ordered a few before they went on restriction).



It was DC p/n 5080885-AA. .

They showed me the box with the number on it and it was the same number the tech jotted down on his pad when he was on the phone (so he told me, I saw his writting, just dont know if it was really before or after he went into the stock room).



I know the AA in the part number is the initial release of the part, so it cant be the same part number for DC that covers the whole range of changes... other wise it would be AM or something like that... after 12 or 13 changes.



How does the DC p/n jive with the above numbers from ( I guess ) Cummins?



Thanks

Bob
 
My dealer replaced mine with one that came from STAR also. While they had several in stock at the dealership, they werent allowed to use one of these under the warranty's provisions-according to STAR. Those pumps in stock were for NON-warranty customers only. Figure that one out.
 
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