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Avatar and (auto) Signatures

First, this isn't a flame on the limiting of the signatures, you gotta do what you gotta do.



BUT! I went in and changed it to 195 characters, hit the update key and got the message that it is still over 200 characters. Then it reverts to the old one that is SEVERLY truncated!:mad:



Since the TDR server and MS Word count characters differently, it would help if the server would accept updates so we could see where it will cut them off.



I spent about a half hour trying to get as much as I could and I'm back where I started from!!!#@$%! #@$%! #@$%! #@$%!



Thanks-I feel better now.
 
200 and counting.....

When you were counting characters did you include any non-printing ones like spaces for instance? That could have nudged you over the top and resulted in a truncated sigfile.



If necessary, just point people to the truck profile in the bottom left hand corner of this post, which still has all the embedded links and now I am still thinking hard about something unique and creative within the 200 chars limit :)
 
I just tries to edit my profile also, and after deleting a bunch of stuff, it still shows up just like it did before.

Yes, I did hit the submit changes button. :confused:
 
Did the same thing to me till I figured out I was changing the sig that is linked to by clicking profile, not the new automatic one.
 
I just went and reverified it and it will take 200 characters - but not one character over. As John said all characters are included in that count - including carriage returns. There's no other way to do it other than to count all the characters in the string. Keep in mind also that any bb tags will also count towards the 200 character limit.
 
I for one am glad the sigs are shorter. It's very annoying trying to read a thread where half the page is taken up by sigs with 20 links to sponsors in them.
 
Originally posted by jthorpe

I for one am glad the sigs are shorter. It's very annoying trying to read a thread where half the page is taken up by sigs with 20 links to sponsors in them.



That's why they should have left it alone... . In the last two months how many threads had signatures throughout? How many had more then say 2 or 3 signatures in it??



Darren
 
RottnDogue - I personally got at least 60 emails asking what happened to their signatures and half of those replies back that it sucked after I explained it to them. That's in addition to the posts on the website and the PM's. On top of that many users emailed stating that they missed seeing the signatures. I know it's hard to understand unless you've been in our shoes but we are trying to balance 12,000+ individuals desires and try to shoot for the middle ground. This latest change is a perfect example - based on the response so far there is an equal amount of people that are ticked off with the change as those that are extremely happy with the change. Those that are in the middle never respond. We do our best.
 
I'm not particularly against the limit - only how TIGHT the limit is! I would prefer about double the 200 character limit to allow a better representation of equipment users have on their trucks, I find it VERY helpful to actually SEE what a fella has installed on his truck when he's posting about a dyno reading of 400 hp and 700 ft lbs - WITHOUT having to hit more keys or leave the thread to access his "hidden" profile/sig... The sig info is often as helpful as the post... Then, of course, limiting sig usage to once in a thread makes good conservation sense, tho on the longer threads with many pages, it still can leave you in the dark on specific posters, unless you read clear back to their first post...
 
Gary - a signature will show the first time on each PAGE of a thread not only on the first post in a thread. We also increased the limit to 300 characters today from 200 characters originally.
 
Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

RottnDogue - I personally got at least 60 emails asking what happened to their signatures and half of those replies back that it sucked after I explained it to them. That's in addition to the posts on the website and the PM's. On top of that many users emailed stating that they missed seeing the signatures. I know it's hard to understand unless you've been in our shoes but we are trying to balance 12,000+ individuals desires and try to shoot for the middle ground. This latest change is a perfect example - based on the response so far there is an equal amount of people that are ticked off with the change as those that are extremely happy with the change. Those that are in the middle never respond. We do our best.

Steve I miss the avatars (sp?) the little pictures that went under your screen name "RottnDogue" Almost everyone I met at Muncie asked my what the hell does that mean? Well with the picture of my Rottweiler and Dogue de Bordeaux it made sense. Have I been *****ing? No. I understand why they are not there, and if it's really about bandwidth, I bet you use more with this setup, than the way it was. And if Bandwidth doesn't matter anymore why can't we get the Avatars back? Or is it just protecting the dummy's from themselves?



Darren
 
I know that some of the signatures are annoyingly long, but that's why you don't have them in every post, or thread. I saw one Yesterday or the day before that had to be 9 or 10 rows long, obnoxious? Yes, if in every post, or thread, but I found myself clicking on 5 links to check out the bombs... . and isn't that why we're here to learn what others have done to there trucks?



Darren
 
RottnDogue, I'm sure you'll find this hard to believe - but we consider all these things VERY carefully before they are implemented. If for no other reason than there it is an absolute 100% certainty that no matter what we do that some people will be upset with that change. We try to make changes that will benefit the majority of users while inconveniencing a minority of them. Our other option is to make no changes ever, I doubt that anyone would want that.



Let's take your latest thought on avatars for example. When we looked at the avatars we found that ~20% of the bandwidth usage on the site was avatars - and we were shocked. Your avatar alone for example (one of the smaller ones, btw) is about the same size as 7 signatures that are 300 characters long - and avatars are shown on every single post, unlike how signatures are posted now. So you could have 7 posts out there with a 300 character signature on it (which would mean you added 7 new threads) and you'd be using the same bandwidth with those signatures if you posted only once with an avatar on it. Bandwidth costs money, and the TDR isn't averse to spendng money on the website - far from it, they've spent a ton this year. However, when they found that 20% of the bandwidth that was the avatars it was decided that the money could be spent much better elsewhere (more features, limited signatures on by default, etc) than on the avatars. In addition when we removed the avatars we received far more compliments that they were removed because of load times than those complaining that they were removed (at least 20 to 1).



The signatures were a like scenario. We received at least as many complaints regarding what happened to users signatures (although they were still there, you just had to check a box) as we received compliments that they were no longer there and that they were happy with the faster load times. As a COMPROMISE between the two different sides we decided to split it down the middle and limit signature lengths, then turn them back on by default and only show them on the first post on a page as well as adding a new field which would allow you to post whatever you wanted in your truck profile.



I truly wish I were a miracle worker and could make 100% of our 12,000 plus users happy with any changes made. However, that will never ever happen. Thus far with this change there have been far more people happy with the change than those that are complaining - many of those posted behind the scenes in emails and PM's.



Remember as I've said above if YOU wish to check out every detail then you have the OPTION to click on the profile button at the bottom of a post and get every detail about a persons truck, life, etc if they wish to post it. By the feedback I've gotten from the majority of users they'd much rather that you have to click on one more link to get that information when you want to than they having to look at it in the threads.



BTW, my estimate based on looking at a number of threads before and after the signature change is that the bandwidth usage will be basically the same under the current system based on everyone having a 300 character signature posted the first time on a thread versus most posts not having a signature but the ones that were there being as long as they were (along with images, etc). Under this system more information get's out there and the extra unnecessary info is cut out - but if you want to look at that you can too. Try to give us a little credit that we've researched this and aren't making rash decisions - as I said above we know that some users will complain no matter what we do so we weigh our decisions carefully.
 
Originally posted by RottnDogue





That's why they should have left it alone... . In the last two months how many threads had signatures throughout? How many had more then say 2 or 3 signatures in it??



Darren



I don't know. I haven't kept metrics on that. I have seen signatures on ONE POST that take up half a page or more. That, to me is annoying. Just my opinion.
 
Originally posted by TxDieselKid

Did you guys turn off the HTML for the sigs? Mine dont work right.



Thats because you lost some of it when the character limit went in. If you click your profile. . you'll see it works fine in the truck mod listing.



To fix it you gotta rework the signature..... you have open "code" need to close each one with[/whatever]. And its VBulletin code... not HTML :D
 
Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent



I truly wish I were a miracle worker and could make 100% of our 12,000 plus users happy with any changes made. However, that will never ever happen.



I agree that would be impossible, but you admitted that you got about 60 e-mail's or PM wondering what happened to their signatures, correct? With half of those people (60 / 2 = 30) complaining after getting the explaination from you, correct? So you made this change because (60/12,000+= . 005) Less than 0. 5% of the members asked a question, and (30/12,000+ = . 0025) less than 0. 25% of the members complained?

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent



Try to give us a little credit that we've researched this and aren't making rash decisions .



Sounds well thought out to me... ...



Darren
 
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