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I've got a silly question, and I'm not going to take the time to do a search because it takes soooooo long.



Why do most free sites or forums load faster than this paysite?



I'm not wanting to start a flame here, but come on. I know that bandwidth costs money, but we pay our share! We pay to be here and yet there are free sites out there loading faster :confused:



FWIW, I do have a cable connection here and dial up at work.



-Jeff
 
The majority of issues with slow performance we've found in the end to be problems on the users system. What we have found is that PC issues with Javascript can cause very slow performance for individuals because this new version of vBulletin uses a lot of Javascript to operate. What internet security software are you running? Many internet security packages filter Javascript which can cause it to run very slowly. Look around in any packages that you are running and see if you can find any mention of Javascript and try disabling that security measure temporarily to see if it improves. If it does most of them will allow you to turn features off for specific sites. Also, older versions of Java can cause slowdowns - try updating your Java package and see if that improves thing. Lastly John - K5AWO found that a driver on his system was causing his slowdowns, check out this thread - https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112231 - and see if that applies to you.



I'm on the site at least 6-8 hours a day every day and usually am online during the busiest time periods and I rarely have to wait more than 10 seconds for a page to load and 98% of the time they load in 2-3 seconds. I'm on a 768k dsl connection.



I rebooted mysql a little over a day ago and right now it is showing a slow query rate of . 031% (~47 slow queries out of 149,024 per hour) - a slow query is defined as one that takes more than 10 seconds.



That being said we have had some hardware and software problems which has caused some issues. A few months ago our primary server crashed 3 of the 4 hard drives - which I have never ever seen before. At that point I brought our backup server online (it's backing up the database continuously and the web directories each night). Mysql needs to be tuned for our usage on each server so when there is a server change there is a period of time each time when I tune the parameters based on the usage. When the primary server was repaired the operating system had to be loaded from scratch and I had to set all of the applications back up on it. After that it was running as the slave server. Last week on wednesday night I was doing some database maintenance and rebooted the server. When it rebooted it did not come back online - I am still working on that issue. At that point I switched back to our original primary server which is whadt we are running on now. Therefore I am having to tune Mysql yet again.



Also, I have been chasing a problem that I was having with the other server with a high number of aborted clients which started happening around the same time as the software upgrade. I thought it was a software bug and have been looking for that. Since switching back to this server I've found that the problem went away. It looks like there is a problem in either the network card or the cable from that server to the public network - which we will fix now that I've narrowed it down to that.



Additionally we are getting into our peak usage time of the year which also requires me to tune Mysql to stay up. Until the traffic hits there's no way to know what needs to be tweaked which doesn't happen until evening. Then I need to wait until a slower time so that I can make the changes and reboot Mysql without kicking everybody off of the site (hence why I am up at 2am right now). These things explain some of the slow performance issues recently.



When the traffic levels get high enough then rather than having a master/slave server arrangement with one just being the backup I will split the database serving and webpage serving between the two of them. We haven't hit that point yet although I will probably be traveling to Atlanta to make that change in January. We are setting new all time records for traffic almost daily. Two days this week we got over 14,300 visitors in a day - our previous record before this week had been 13,400.



Please get back to me with the internet security packages you are running. I will do whatever I can to try to solve your problem.



-Steve St. Laurent

Webmaster
 
OK, I'll stick my neck out and ask what seems to be a reasonable and logical question. .



Lets assume my PC, it's operating system, and the various firewalls and ad blockers ARE pure crap - *WHY IS IT* that only *this* site displays the slowness I and some others are seeing here, and here only?:confused:



It sure seems like at least a FEW others would also be/seem slow, but for me, only this one is, and usually only in the evenings...



And mind you, I'm not talking about simply an extra couple of SECONDS for page loads, but sometimes actual timeouts, or at least 30-45 seconds for a page refresh - and seeing the board-generated message in the upper right corner that gives server seek times is frequenly displaying 30 seconds or more - THAT certainly is not MY PC causing that... ;)
 
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Because this software uses more Javascript than the other sites your on most likely. If it's not a continuous problem for you then that isn't the problem. If it's only at specific times then it's something else. Some users have continuous slow performance at all times of the day and that is the security software issue.



As I said above I am tuning mysql after the recent software reinstall and that has caused some slow performance at peak times. Until those peak times happen I can't see what needs to be changed and then I have to wait until the middle of the night to make the change and then reboot Mysql otherwise I'll kick everyone off of the system. Having this happen also at the same time that traffic is going through the roof makes it more complicated. I am working on it on a daily basis.
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
OK, I'll stick my neck out and ask what seems to be a reasonable and logical question. .



Lets assume my PC, it's operating system, and the various firewalls and ad blockers ARE pure crap - *WHY IS IT* that only *this* site displays the slowness I and some others are seeing here, and here only?:confused:



It sure seems like at least a FEW others would also be/seem slow, but for me, only this one is, and usually only in the evenings...

I am with you man. I too have a tough time with this site in the evenings. I now have to read in the early morning. Earlier this week was very slow and I just gave up. Must have been those record setting days. Steve, I hope you get this figured out. I am on a Mac and I know those had some special issues a few months ago during the changes. All the best info is here and I hate to give it up. I can't get dsl up here in the wild west Sierra Mountains. Good Luck
 
JUST NOW, doing a search for "last days posts", a LONG wait, and THIS:



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Showing results 1 to 25 of 219

Search took 46. 16 seconds.

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And THAT dern sure is NOT because of scummy software on MY PC! ;) :D
 
I have never had a problem other than when the server went down or when the ISP provider i have has problems, and i have dialup(turtle internet) Dsl is way to expensive here and im so far out in the sticks cable even in the equation LOL... .
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
YUP - it's spotty - 9 out of 10 searches will go great, then a stinkin' clinker... :rolleyes:

Gary - when you are doing that one in the clinker there could be 20 (or more) people doing a large search at the exact same time. That's why I track the slow query rate. I watch the mysql statistics on a daily basis to see how the mysql engine is running. In the last 45 hours the system has run an average of 150,154 queries per hour and of those 47 per hour take more than 10 seconds. There's no way to eliminate slow queries completely - you will always have some especially when you are dealing with the number of users that we are. To put that number in perspective the system is averaging 42 queries per second. The majority of those slow queries are probably happening during the peak traffic period but it is still a pretty low number. I am continuing to tune the database for better performance however. I am making changes literally every day. I do appreciate you guys speaking up because if I don't hear that there are issues I'll never be aware of them.
 
Try dumping the POS MS IE browser and lighting up FoxFire.



I was stuck with IE for a couple of days while my box was being reimaged. There are a miniscule number of sites which require IE to access and make sense. It was one of those sites where IE sucked up an adware nasty. Running IE was an aggravating experience after running Mozilla for years. Geeze how I hate to wait while the page loads... and loads... and loads... in a new window.



I am impressed with how fast the FoxFire browser is and I really like the tabbing feature in both Mozilla and FoxFire. An added benefit is you don't have the near the security issues that come with IE.



http://www.mozilla.com
 
"I do appreciate you guys speaking up because if I don't hear that there are issues I'll never be aware of them. "



YUP - which is the reason these observations and questions NEED to be aired! Sure, it gets frustrating for members when for no apparent reason things aren't going as they used to, or we think they should - but simply keeping silent on these issues accomplishes nothing! ;) :D
 
It's funny... I came in here for something else and saw this thread and thought "so it's not just me!". I find the speed on here to be a sort of crapshoot. Sometimes it's pretty quick, other times it's achingly slow. I can't completely rule out my computer, so I never bothered to question it. I am on a cable connection.
 
Not only searches are slow for me, sometimes just loading a thread takes forever. It does depend on the time of day which leads me to believe that the server is just simply bogged down!



I guess my point is, free sites provide servers at least as fast as this one (usually faster here lately) surviving on banner ads alone. This site has banners AND a subscription fee! I just think it should be faster and no traffic jams given the situation.



I'm running Nortons virus protection and firewall, plus a couple adware/spyware programs offered for free on AOL. Forums visited are sprint cars/horses/and diesel trucks ... ... ... ... won't mention any site names.
 
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Believe me the servers and the connection the TDR is on are not lacking in any way and I doubt that any of the sites you are comparing to have servers that are faster and I know that they don't have the traffic levels that we do. The TDR has never hesitated to spend money on changing hosting facilities and upgrading hardware when necessary. The servers the site is running on right now cost $7,000 each and that is for white boxes - they were the #1 rated servers by one of the Linux magazines when they were purchased. An equivalent Dell or Compaq was in the $14,000 range at the time. Compared to all of the other diesel sites out there (including other brands) we have over twice the volume of daily traffic - we are getting upwards of 1. 6 million hits per day.



I have said several times in this thread now that I am tuning the server on a daily basis to take care of the issues that I outlined above and I am continuing to do so. The amount of traffic to the site is going up at an incredible rate right now which is complicating that tuning. Throughout the summer and thru the entire month of November up until the 28th the highest number of visitors we had in a day was 10,561. On monday we had 13,070, tuesday 14,303, and wednesday 14,343 - that's a 36% increase in traffic over the highest levels we've seen since last winter (which was before the forum software change which uses a lot more resources). Also as I said above I will be traveling to Atlanta in January to change the servers such that the load is shared between the two of them rather than having one just sitting as a backup in case of a problem with the main server - which will double the capacity of the servers).



Some adware/spyware programs have caused problems with this version of the software because many of those do filter Javascript. Just to see if any of the software you are running is exacerbating slow down issues try disabling all of those temporarily and move around the site and see if performance increases. It won't solve everything but could possibly improve things for you.
 
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I'm on dial up at 26,400bps and it is a LOT slower for me than before the update, my computer has always hated java, how do I update my java package?

When I open a thread in a new window the menu buttons at the top are offset to the left off the screen, the "TDR Home Page" and half of the "Discusion Forums" button are missing, if I refresh the page everthing is fine. Also I still get the big gray box at the top of the home page sometimes.

I cleared the cookies and the internet cache, at least as much as I know how :rolleyes: I've assumed these were my problems, is there an easy solution?



Jared
 
you guys may also want to to a defragmentation of your hard drive, that realigns your files in your hard drive to the place there supposed to be, some files are to be at front and some at back and when these get out of whack there is alot of space that is cluttered with files that should be together.
 
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