Smarty Jr ,now not enough air So I----

[DZLROKET]

did the cold air mod with the toilet flange installed in bottom of stock air box and tube to the front bumper, and I am STILL pulling the filter minder way into the yellow with just a few power runs.



Could it be the Amsoil filter?

 

[MA2LA]

what filter are you running? I had the nano filter and only got 30k out of it before it was useless.

 

[AH64ID]

I noticed the same thing on the one run I made with the 100hp setting, but it doesn't happen on the 40hp setting, which is where mine lives...

You may look at amsoil/injens new intake.

 

[DZLROKET]

I did two "accell" runs today with the amsoil filter removed and not only did the filter minder NOT move I got allot more HP as evidenced by smoking tires when tromping on it at 25MPH. Ordered an AFE pro guard 7 today! tossing the AMsoil!

 

[LRutigliano]

did the cold air mod with the toilet flange installed in bottom of stock air box and tube to the front bumper, and I am STILL pulling the filter minder way into the yellow with just a few power runs.



Could it be the Amsoil filter?[/QUOTE]



I was running with the Amsoil Eea filter and I had lots of smoke. I installed the aFe PG-7 drop-in filter and the truck was more responsive with less smoke. I have not pulled the filter minder down though.



If you talk to Pete Tomka at PSM, he's done lots of testing with the Amsoil filter and he highly recommends the aFe PG-7 filter. My experience confirms his data.



Hope this helps,

Louis

 

[CToney]

I just hate the whole oily mess cleaning bs that goes along with the PG-7. In my '92 that is what I have in it. The filter is so big it takes forever to get it dirty so you hardly ever have to clean it. I also put a prefilter on it which helps. Can't do that on the square 3rd gen filters though.

 

[JDecanter]

Your Filter Minder might be bad but It could be the Amsoil filter. In a previous issue of TDR the Amsoil filter did not flow any better than stock.

 

[JCasper]

I am running the amsoil filter in a stock air box and my filter minder doesn't move.



I am running the smarty on 5.

 

[DZLROKET]

AFE Pro Guard 7 drop in installed today, Two HARD acceleration runs, NO movement of filter minder!! Enough said. Bye Bye Amsoil filter!!

 

[Tinman]

But, how well does that Pro Guard-7 filter? Poke a bunch of holes in a filter and it will flow but it won't filter. Anybody with some oil analysis of the pro guard??

 

[pwr2tow]

I run a Smarty Jr. on 100Hp and a XZT stacking program (pressure only) with a stock air filter and home made PSM air box. The filter minder never moves until tens of thousands of miles when the filter starts to get dirty.

I ran the Amsoil filter in the same air box with just the XZT tow module before I bought the Smarty Jr and could pull the filter minder down on WOT.

THE BEST PLACE FOR THEM AMSOIL FILTERS IS IN THE GARBAGE CAN.

 

[RollOver_Pete]

But, how well does that Pro Guard-7 filter? Poke a bunch of holes in a filter and it will flow but it won't filter. Anybody with some oil analysis of the pro guard??

Why don't you take your clean finger and run it along the inside of the of the filter housing.

If you have poked holes in your filter, chances are your finger will now be soiled.

If you have an Amsoil or AFE, chances your finger will remain clean.

Ya know, thats a pretty ignorant statement by you re: "that Pro Guard-7".

Why is it always so easy for people like you to bash a product they know nothing about?

If you knew anything or had any facts on the Pro-Guard, you wouldn't be asking for somebody else to provide the analysis.

 

[Tinman]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I wasn't bashing the Pro-Guard at all. I have no knowledge of how well the AFE filters, so I was simply asking a question to gather more info. Filter manufactures are quick to point out how well their products flow. But a good flowing filter on a dusted engine isn't much good. (i. e. K&N) In my opinion, the only real test of efficiency is oil analysis. I'm running the AMSoil filter now, but if what I hear here turn out to be true for me, I'll be looking for another filter. I may very well turn to the AFE unit, so I was just asking if anyone had some real world data on how well the AFE protects the engine. If you have some data, please share. I wasn't trying to be condescending to the AFE product at all. There was a study floating around here a while back comparing different filters. The oiled AFE did well in regard to filtering, but is was an oil element, which I don't care for. AFE makes a dry element now which I'm interested in, but I haven't been able to find any data on it.

 

[Regcabguy]

Genos and PG7's

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I wasn't bashing the Pro-Guard at all. I have no knowledge of how well the AFE filters, so I was simply asking a question to gather more info. Filter manufactures are quick to point out how well their products flow. But a good flowing filter on a dusted engine isn't much good. (i. e. K&N) In my opinion, the only real test of efficiency is oil analysis. I'm running the AMSoil filter now, but if what I hear here turn out to be true for me, I'll be looking for another filter. I may very well turn to the AFE unit, so I was just asking if anyone had some real world data on how well the AFE protects the engine. If you have some data, please share. I wasn't trying to be condescending to the AFE product at all. There was a study floating around here a while back comparing different filters. The oiled AFE did well in regard to filtering, but is was an oil element, which I don't care for. AFE makes a dry element now which I'm interested in, but I haven't been able to find any data on it.

I believe Geno's gives the PG7 a thumbs up in the filtration department. It's the only aftermarket filter they carry. As far as the dry element goes... they decline to carry it. Make up your own mind.

 

[RollOver_Pete]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I wasn't bashing the Pro-Guard at all. I have no knowledge of how well the AFE filters, so I was simply asking a question to gather more info.

I got ya now Tinman.

I apologize if I came off sounding like an jerk...

I know I often feel like one for going off on somebody.



I too had the filter minder problem.

I work in extremely dirty/ dusty conditions and was changing stock filters sometimes every other week.

What worked for me was the cold air mod (4"hole) and a AFE (oiled) drop in.

So far, any time I've had the intake apart looking for dust, I've found none.





I change oil every 200 hrs and pull a sample every time.

Since this is done at work, my sample along with hundreds of others gets entered into a maintenance data base.

When a analysis shows levels that exceed those set by Caterpillar, it starts a process where that piece of equipment (or my truck) is further looked into.

With over 500 pieces of equipment in our fleet, the only way I would know something is wrong is if my sample came up dirty.

I'll see if I can get individual results on my truck from our service manager.

 

[Tinman]

I got ya now Tinman.

I apologize if I came off sounding like an jerk...

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No worries. I re-read my post and I can see how one could read it the way you did. Thanks for the info. That is the first real world data I've seen on the Pro-Guard, so I may be looking into that if the AMSoil doesn't work out.

 

[2Rowdy]

On my last uoa blackstone stated. Air and oil filtration normal. (See silicone and insolubles. ) Silicon 3 and insolubles . 4. That is with pg-7 filter and fleetguard stratapore oil filter and fs-2500. 8133 miles on oil.

 

[bluewingron]

any feedback on new k&n deep filter for 3rd gen?

 

[AH64ID]

The amsoil does not claim to be a performance drop in, its a factory drop in with the finest filtering available for a stock housing... . With the 100hp setting you need a lot more air to fuel that much more hp... so it stands to reason that if a filter was designed for a stock truck that it may not be able to flow enough air when making 30%+ more hp...

On the 40hp setting the filter minder doesn't move, I am going to keep the amsoil... . if I ever want to make more power I would look at a CAI, but for my application the amsoil is the best option.