Smarty, the new CaTCHER tool.

[Bob Wagner]

Hm...



Good question, but it makes me I would wonder more why the TST only made 23 Hp more than just the Smarty. I also would wonder about the results if the Smarty was set on 6 instead of 7.



Jim

Jim, this is not a conflict or trouble between the Smarty and TST at all. Rather a small turbo trouble. The B-1 on the truck is a quick spool version.



They are very tight on the exhaustt side. This is a terrible restriction. Essentially it is now blowing all that exhasut gas through a 1. 5 inch hole.



The truck made 600 HP or more in the cylinders, but was restricted so bad it could not breath it back out

 

[David_VT]

I have only tested Smarty on #5 for 24hrs.



Question, should I return the boost circuit to normal or leave the Power Edge's integrated boost fooler in place?



I am quite happy with the performance. I notice I have to work at it a bit to not leave a traffic light with a puff of exhaust smoke in 1st. I imagine as my foot relearns the go pedal that this will become easier. FYI, the truck really screamed with the old 'hot' Power Edge on 'red'... And it feels like my VA box's low end is back... (sold way back when I bought the Power Edge... )



The cruise seemed to take a little while to settle down on #5 (no PE). But it felt fine on my third highway trip tonight.



It seems like the idle is maybe 1-200 rpm higher than before. Would you suspect some hardware on my truck or is this normal?



I'll drive over the weekend, back the software out, etc and report back if this changes with the Level # or not...

 

[BSmalley]

OK, I got to play with my smartyized truck a little bit before I had to come to work. Just a few observations other than above. Have only tried one power level. . do I HAVE to say it was 9?? Cruise works fine, no surging. Smoke is just a slight puff under hard acceleration. Idle may be up by about 100 rpm. Haven't had time to check anything else yet... except that if I die tonight, it will take the undertaker a month to get the smile off my face!!

 

[Mundgyver]

?????????? Well this is interesting. ???????????



One of the items that I found interesting when I first got my RoadRelay 4 was the fact that the engine according to the ECM had about 300 more miles on it than the odometer in the truck. The reason I found out was that Cummins runs each engine for about 6 hours to test them before shipping them out to be installed. No Problem, I was happy with that



When I picked up the Smarty from Bob, I put it into the fuel saver program and drove. Impressions are already noted earlier. I then switched up to program #8 and have been more than happy with the new performance and drive-ability. Very good manners with a light touch, but lots and lots of hustle when you want it and sometime when you don't need it



Tonight I was going over my PM schedules in the Roadrelay for what I needed to do this week and discovered that the ECM mileage is no longer there. Meaing that I had 163,000 recorded in the ECM when I put the Smarty program in up at Bob's place when I picked it up.



The ECM now only shows 1,600 miles according to the RoadRelay



So here is the question, if the Smarty zeroizes the ECM mileage and you go in for some sort of service work where they hook up a computer, if you get a smart tech, he is going to see that the ECM mileage has been reset when compared against the odometer on the dash.



I know Marco said that when the ECM was returned to stock that the dealer would not be able to detect it, but given that the ECM mileage record is reset, this is a tell-tale clue.



Not bad mouthing here, just an observation that one who owns a new truck under warranty might want to take into considerations. My truck is beyond the warranty so it does not affect me, but it is an interesting discovery.



Bob, Marco, any input on this find

 

[Dieseldaddy]

Smarty w/ Comp?

How well does the edge comp and smarty go together? I just ordered a comp box, and know I'm wondering if I should have ordered a tst.

 

[AggieJustin]

They work real well together. Just run the even number settings on Smarty, since the Comp does timing. #8 and 5x5 is wild ride.



Although I'm thinking of switching to TST, as I like the dynamic timing control of Smarty. Considering how well #9 works standalone, it should be nuts with the TST.

 

[Mundgyver]

You will not be disapointed with the Smarty #8 and the Edge-Comp dialed up. Oo.

 

[Marco]

Mundgyver,

Smarty takes the DC OBD II data into consideration. The data an dealer with a DC DRBIII or MD system can see. You're talking about the "Cummins data" which come from the J1969 port. Different beast, different port, different protocol, that a DC dealer can not gain access to.



In poor words, if you take a DRB and watch inside the ECM all you see about Smarty is... nothing. Smarty is not traceable by the DC tool(s). That was and is our goal.



Haven't had time to check anything else yet... except that if I die tonight, it will take the undertaker a month to get the smile off my face!



Good one!

LOL :-laf :-laf

Now you havta come over and clean my monitor. Was siping a coffee then THIS..... LMFAO

 

[Marco]

Idle may be up by about 100 rpm.

BSmalley,

Are you sure? The idle speed should not change! 800 for sticks, 850 for ATs.

 

[David_VT]

Marco,

I am seeing a constant rpm increase at idle also. I'd call it 150rpm by eye and ear...

(5 spd 99)



It is hard to quantify with our poor tach resolution but it is clearly an increase with a slight offset on the tach and sounds to match.



I will play with the smarty this weekend to see if it goes away by returning to stock ,etc...

 

[BSmalley]

Marco,

Sorry I caused you to spit coffee all over your computer. Its pretty hard to put into words on a computer screen how happy I am with Smarty!! I am not positive about the RPM increase, like stated above, its hard to see that kind of resolution on the tach, just seems to sound a little faster... certainly not a scientific observation as I have failed to have my ears calibrated lately... . BTW this is by no means any type of complaint. I Love this thing.

Bill

 

[Marco]

Sorry I caused you to spit coffee all over your computer. Its pretty hard to put into words on a computer screen how happy I am with Smarty!!

Welllll, I think we got your point! My poor ol monitor took a coffe shower! :-laf :-laf Oh well... .

That idle speed thing bothers me a little.

The idle speed SHOULD not vary with Smarty. OR I did something stupid!



Well it's about time to let the kitty outta the bag. I've worked on different software versions. One of them includes the extreme cold climate TSB. That TSB uses a little higher idle speed. Me think that maybe I've written that software into the latest Smartys... OPS!

Nothing bad, in fact them guys with tight converters and stalling issues when placed in gear will LOVE it but it also kills the mileage a little.



I've two more software versions ( almost ) ready too.

In those I replace the software # 0 with the " anti theft" software(s).

Remember? A while back we talked about them...

Since it seemed that no go / go but die under load was about fifty fifty, I thought why not do both and let them guys decide what fits them needs best.



So here it is.



Version 1) Revison # 1. 06 same as today, nothing changed.

Version 2) Revision# 2. 06 file structure as above but the extreme cold climate version. Good of course for cold climates with #1 fuel and stalling issues with tight converters

Version 3) Basically same as #1 but software zero is replaced with a "no go" file. Crank but the engine will not fire.

Version 4) Same as above but the engine will start and run at idle, place it under slight load and the engine will die.



I'll do my best to publish them on our web page for download on Monday.

 

[Tomeygun]

Welllll, I think we got your point! My poor ol monitor took a coffe shower! :-laf :-laf Oh well... .

That idle speed thing bothers me a little.

The idle speed SHOULD not vary with Smarty. OR I did something stupid!



Well it's about time to let the kitty outta the bag. I've worked on different software versions. One of them includes the extreme cold climate TSB. That TSB uses a little higher idle speed. Me think that maybe I've written that software into the latest Smartys... OPS!

Nothing bad, in fact them guys with tight converters and stalling issues when placed in gear will LOVE it but it also kills the mileage a little.



I've two more software versions ( almost ) ready too.

In those I replace the software # 0 with the " anti theft" software(s).

Remember? A while back we talked about them...

Since it seemed that no go / go but die under load was about fifty fifty, I thought why not do both and let them guys decide what fits them needs best.



So here it is.



Version 1) Revison # 1. 06 same as today, nothing changed.

Version 2) Revision# 2. 06 file structure as above but the extreme cold climate version. Good of course for cold climates with #1 fuel and stalling issues with tight converters

Version 3) Basically same as #1 but software zero is replaced with a "no go" file. Crank but the engine will not fire.

Version 4) Same as above but the engine will start and run at idle, place it under slight load and the engine will die.



I'll do my best to publish them on our web page for download on Monday.

Man, If this is any indication of the level of knowledge when it comes to there diesels, I CANT WAIT for the Smarty 3rd gen!!



I hope you have as many tricks up your sleave on the 3rd gens!

 

[Bob Wagner]

Tomey, these guys are very good



Marco could put out a product for the cr trucks now but it won't happen until they are ready to release it.



This will be taken to a different level just wait and see

 

[Buddy's Ram]

Tomey, these guys are very good

Marco could put out a product for the cr trucks now but it won't happen until they are ready to release it.

This will be taken to a different level just wait and see

I think Bob is holding that carrot out there in front of us! All us 3rd genners are just drooling waiting on our turn!

 

[Bob Wagner]

I will be bringing smarty along to may madness this year. so free downloads to anyone wanting to try the smarty on there 98. 5 -02

 

[yogibear]

Bob, I hope, by then you will have a 3rd. Gen Smarty to bring along too!!



Larry

 

[Bob Wagner]

Larry, I have been push push pushing marco for a beta box. Like the great Italian fine wines.



I will never receive one before its time.



Marco will not put out a "me too" type tuner.



It won't be available under these guy's put the label of approval on it.



I do admire Marco and Stefano for that.



Look forward to meeting all meeting you

 

[NoSeeUm]

{snip}



Version 1) Revison # 1. 06 same as today, nothing changed.

Version 2) Revision# 2. 06 file structure as above but the extreme cold climate version. Good of course for cold climates with #1 fuel and stalling issues with tight converters

Version 3) Basically same as #1 but software zero is replaced with a "no go" file. Crank but the engine will not fire.

Version 4) Same as above but the engine will start and run at idle, place it under slight load and the engine will die.



I'll do my best to publish them on our web page for download on Monday.

OK, I had thought about this myself when the subject came up in this thread.



How different would it be to, as far as a start lockout, pull the Smarty cable out of the connector before the program completes the upload? I mean pull it out in the middle of an upload.



Doesn't that basically kill the ECM from operating and prevent the engine from running, but doesn't really hurt anything?



Jim

 

[Mundgyver]

I think that would have bad effects on the ECM if you tried to start. My bet is that you might wind up toasting a chip or two and then you would be down for an intire new ECM. Maybe Marco has already tried this. I would rather be able to just program a NO START into the ECM.