snow water/meth or cooling mist ? ? ?

[rivercat]

Looking into the water kits not sure what to do. So far looks like the snow stage 3 is the way to go. Can't find any threads here on the coolingmist.

Any one want to comment on water kits or just water in general?

Jim Fuller ?

 

[KZimmermann]

I'd like to know too, I asked this same question in another thread and never really got an answer.

They both look like great systems, hopefully somebody with some first hand experience with these will chime in.

 

[BILLVO]

Here is some info from the competition forum.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173486

 

[McLaughlin]

Looking into the water kits not sure what to do. So far looks like the snow stage 3 is the way to go. Can't find any threads here on the coolingmist.



Any one want to comment on water kits or just water in general?



Jim Fuller ?

I'm under the same impression. Like the description of the Snow stage 3.

 

[Mark Craig]

rivercat,



I did lots of research on them prior to becomming a distributor. The Snow uses no metal parts in their plumbing as meth attacks steel, brass etc etc. Some kits even use teflon!!! The Snow was also on all the trucks at all the drags and pulls I have been to, these guys always seem to use the best products. Then the Snow uses boost and EGT to control their best units, while others have literature that says they use both if you really dig into it they use boost OR EGT to control theirs.



Mark @ DPPI

 

[pipeguy]

Mark,



Would you recomend the stage 3? I have heard you dont need more than the stage 2... anything more is over kill...



What are your thoughts on this? Is it worth the extra $$$?

 

[McLaughlin]

Mark,



Would you recomend the stage 3? I have heard you dont need more than the stage 2... anything more is over kill...



What are your thoughts on this? Is it worth the extra $$$?

I've been told the same thing(by the Snow technical people). Since I don't tow or haul much, the stage 2 would meet my needs.



However, I just have to think there are some real advantages by injecting water due to either higher boost pressures OR especially EGT temps. I know that when my boost is up it is because I'm wanting power to move the truck for some reason so after a point the water/meth would help increase the power available. On the other hand, I have seen several times where the EGTs have been up when the boost wasn't so it would be nice to be able to inject some water to drop the EGTs a bit. I do have to admit though that when the EGTs are high enough to be dangerous the boost is also up a bit.

 

[wildmanben]

if you tow, get the stage 3. I sure like mine. As the EGTs get higher, the more it injects. And you can switch it to boost only and acts just like the Stage 2 system.

 

[Mark Craig]

pipeguy,



If it was me I wouldn't consider anything but the Stage III, as it is a dual operation system and has built in EGT and boost. Plus you can change the output level as you drive! Racing at wide open and then tow at part operation without leaving the drivers seat!! Costs more but what's new right!!



Mark @ DPPI

 

[KZimmermann]

Does the Cooling Mist setup not do the same thing? Seems like their stage 3 has a digital moniter/controller. I realize the Snow setup gets more press and more people have experience with it, is it because the Cooling Mist is not as good or just that they are not as popular?

 

[WCounts]

Does the Cooling Mist setup not do the same thing? Seems like their stage 3 has a digital moniter/controller. I realize the Snow setup gets more press and more people have experience with it, is it because the Cooling Mist is not as good or just that they are not as popular?

I'm running the Cooling Mist stage II and they do make a Stage III but I don't think it's needed. The Cooling Mist does use brass fittings and they don't corrode and most use brass nozzels anyway. The Cooling Mist has a very nice controller that works well and can be upgraded from the internet.

Water will drop your egts but adding meth will bring them back up and if you are running much timing you will have to keep the meth less than 15%. If you are running over 500 hp you will need about 45 gph and thats about all the pump can sustain. Towing at 20-25 lbs boost I don't see over 900*F. I didn't see but about 25 hp on the dyno running 15% meth but it cools things down.

 

[KZimmermann]

Thanks alot for the reply. It sounds like just what I am looking for. I don't plan on running more than 15% meth if any at all. I want it more for keeping things cool. Which stage II did you get, the basic one with the vari-cool controller or the Stage II EGT?

 

[WCounts]

Thanks alot for the reply. It sounds like just what I am looking for. I don't plan on running more than 15% meth if any at all. I want it more for keeping things cool. Which stage II did you get, the basic one with the vari-cool controller or the Stage II EGT?

I got the stage II with the veri-cool. Works great but some may like the stage III. I just wanted to control the water volumn by boost only.

 

[MMcCallie]

I just got my new coolingmist.com controller working and it is awesome. The controller was working, it was the pump that was bad. It was my second pump from devilsownonline.com, controller had gone bad too, which i sent back and they've kept. Don't think i'll deal with them anymore.

The coolingmist controller is awesome! It is large, but comes on undetectably smooth. Wiring was very straight forward. EGTs dropped by hundreds of degrees and smoke has been virtually eliminated, which i didn't think was possible having a ground plate all the way forward, AFC as well.

If you already have gauges, i think the coolingmist controller offers more than any other in terms of tunability and capability. I plan to add a second injector. Some day i may take advantage of the mapping software by adding the optional EGT input that taps into the pyrometer.

 

[IC Smoke]

Im running the snow stage 3 and like it a-lot Ill post a pic of my setup later.



Ian

 

[WCounts]

I just got my new coolingmist.com controller working and it is awesome. The controller was working, it was the pump that was bad. It was my second pump from devilsownonline.com, controller had gone bad too, which i sent back and they've kept. Don't think i'll deal with them anymore.



The coolingmist controller is awesome! It is large, but comes on undetectably smooth. Wiring was very straight forward. EGTs dropped by hundreds of degrees and smoke has been virtually eliminated, which i didn't think was possible having a ground plate all the way forward, AFC as well.



If you already have gauges, i think the coolingmist controller offers more than any other in terms of tunability and capability. I plan to add a second injector. Some day i may take advantage of the mapping software by adding the optional EGT input that taps into the pyrometer.

Glad to see something working for you. I don't know much about devilsownline or the other W/M systems. I would stay with Snow or Cooling Mist. Havn't heard much bad about them.

 

[Bova]

Rivercat, I have the snow stage three, I'm 575-600hp range and I can't believe the the change in the power and the reduction in egts. I tapped into the washer resevior and run straight washer fluid. I have dropped my egt's 200" . I have'nt dynoed it since but I would guess 40-50 more hp with it. Wal-mart sells washer fluid for . 88 a gal, you cant go wrong. a gallon of washer fluid lasts about 100 miles, thats an average for me .

 

[y-knot]

I ordered the Snow Stage II kit back when we had a group purchase. But I sold it to another member, I didn't like the arrangement, and it would be almost useless with that small stock tank.

That said, I have been looking at installing one on my truck and also on my Project Cobra'33. I have to say I like the Cooling Mist unit better then the Snow or ATS units. In particular, I like the way the Cooling Mist unit is all self contained and how the pump mounts to the coolant tank. This was one of the main reasons I sold the Snow kit, I just had no room to mount the pump and that small coolant tank. Where with the Cooling Mist kit, the mounting is not a problem, you can put the thing in the truck bed, say inside the tool box and order the large coolant tank and be done with it.



Also, the Cooling mist kit does use EGT and Boost to control the amount of coolant sprayed into the engine just as the Snow kit does on the stage III. I think the big difference is that Snow was the first, and many have purchased his kit, thats why so many are for Snow, not that they have looked into the Cooling Mist or ATS unit, just they have his kit and I guess that means it must be superior. Cooling mist has the benefit of Snow experiences, both good and bad, and since there kit is newer, they have solved some of the mounting and installation problems that Snow never did. The two kits both use the same pumps, if you look at each site you will see that. The rest of the stuff is simply plastic hoses and a orifice. I'm not sure if I'm ever going to buy one for the truck (if I did, then I would go ahead and get the ATS intake manifold, so see who that adds up), but if I did I would go with Cooling Mist right now.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

why not just use the washer resovoir? that's what everyone I know does...



I've got a Snow stage II with the 220psi pump, the stage III setup is very nice, but I don't tow anything... really only need EGT reduction at WOT or near WOT

 

[Hammer]

Do not forget also now that Painless Performance now has a Water/Meth Combo for diesels called "ColdShot". Its new this year and has not been out long..... Andy