Soy Based Biodiesel Safe?

[MStrain]

I never bought biodeisel because the only place that sells it is too far out of the way for me, and it was much more expensive than diesel. I want to do my part for the environment, which seems to be unpopular around here, but it was not convenient or cost effective.

Now with the cheapest price for diesel in the valley at $4. 99, going up to $5. 40, biodiesel is looking pretty good. I just found out about a place called standard biodiesel that is just up the street from me on Topanga Canyon that sells B99 soy based biodiesel and they deliver it, minimum amount being 55 gallons.

I am ready to go all in, I am going to call them on Tuesday but I am pretty sure they are cheaper and it's gotta feel better than giving my hard earned money to the (I have a lot of dirty inappropiate words that come to mind when describing the oil CEO's) oil corporations.

My question is whether or not it is safe to run B99 soy based biodiesel in my HPCR 5. 9 Cummins?

 

[DZLROKET]

Hmmmm I live near you and hadent heard about that place. I buy my Bio at the place in brentwood, barrington and la cieniga I believe. Conserv Fuel, but their price for Bio is higher than Dino diesel, Basterd$!

No reason Bio should follow dino prices other than greed! ANYway back to the point. Dodge says 5%. Cummins says 20% ... I have been running about 20% for about a year with no prob. Since I am still under warranty I don't think I would go as high as B99 but I HAVE heard of guys on the BB's running B99 but not sure about our newer common rail systems on that level...

 

[PRout]

Thought I had read somewhere that the electronic style injectors have a problem with biodiesel "streaming" instead of "spraying" 100% biodiesel, but could be totally wrong about that. Will have to see what others in the know have to say.

Either way, I would still use it diluted down to maybe B15 or 20 for the reasons you sited, plus the lube qualities until you are sure you can go higher on the concentration.

Can sure tell a difference in the smoothness of how my 2nd gen runs on B99. Noticeably better. I try to always have some bio mixed in for the lube, plus the exhaust smells much lighter. There is a co-op down here in the Torrance area that has it available in 100 gallon minimum purchases as well, but I'll have to check into your place up there also.

You've also got the conserv fuel place in Brentwood (San Vincente & Barrington), but they are a rip-off also. Good luck.

Edited: Looks like DZLROKET beat me to the post. . - (What he said. . )

 

[DZLROKET]

yeah San Vincente not la Cieniga (sp)

 

[JimB1]

Doesn't matter what feedstock (soy, corn, canola. . ,) as long as it's distilled to ASTM 6751 standard, which then allows it to carry the patented product name biodiesel.



I've run B100 in my '07 for about half its 11k miles and B20 or so for remaining miles.



Started right off with it when new.



Same with the '06.

 

[SHobbs]

Nothing wrong with soy based. IMHO as long as the oil is refined and the glycerins and waxes are removed and it meets the same criteria as diesel go for it. I use a soy based or totally soy B100 in the summer all the time. Only time my truck sees #2 is in the winter. I am currently running a 50/50 mix of soybean oil and pig fat. Truck runs great, less smoke and less pinging.



Oh and you will be hard pressed to find cheap bio, it seems that they have seen the light as far as profit. The bio I use stays within about ten cents under the price of diesel.

 

[TRLRTRSH]

State biodiesel plant struggles | TheNewsTribune.com | Tacoma, WA



State biodiesel plant struggles

Grays Harbor facility delays expansion

LES BLUMENTHAL; -- email address removed --

Published: May 25th, 2008 01:00 AM | Updated: May 25th, 2008 06:35 AM

WASHINGTON – Ten months after the nation’s largest biodiesel plant opened in Grays Harbor County, its owners are facing the same financial pressures that have brought a once high-flying industry down to earth.



Imperium Renewables Inc. has delayed a $345 million initial public offering, put on hold its plans for four additional plants and trimmed its corporate staff. Its chief executive officer resigned without explanation.



The $78 million plant is still operating, though the price of soybean oil and other vegetable oils has jumped 100 percent to 200 percent in the past year. Hopes to buy much of the feedstock from Eastern Washington farmers haven’t blossomed and, instead, the plant is using mostly canola oil from Canada.



And while biodiesel is supposed to help reduce American’s dependence on foreign oil and cut greenhouse gas emissions, the domestic market has not materialized as expected. Virtually all of Imperium’s product is being shipped to Europe.



Geeeee I wonder why??? could be they make more $$$$$$$$$



“We are experiencing challenging times,” said John Plaza, Imperium’s founder and current CEO. “The entire industry is facing this. ”



More in article!!

 

[Jefff929]

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My question is whether or not it is safe to run B99 soy based biodiesel in my HPCR 5. 9 Cummins?

If it were me, I'd cut it to someplace between B20 & B50 with DinoD.



I use it in my 01 without issue. If the source is good and has no water it should be safe in your HPCR.

 

[cj hall]

bio diesel

Hey TRLRTRSH



What I heard was that the bio diesel tax the Goverment gives out

the 1. 00 per gallon will thats as long as the fuel is in America I did not say used here I said in America.



So you make boidiesel from canola oil from canada

I am sure there is a tax credit for this!!!!!

Make it here and blend it with diesel from Europe in a ship thats sitting in a U. S. Port, Guess What

the U. S. Govt gives them a check for 1. 00 per gallon because they made a biodiesel blend in the U. S. A.



The ship sails back to europe and the sell it there for 10 to 12 dollors per gallon AND THEY HAVE SPENT 3. 50 TO 5. 00 PER GALLON .



Its called a loop hole, this one is big, really big.

Do I feel sorry for the biodiesel makes in the states nope! They got it right in the same place we did and are getting when we have to fill up are tanks.

biodiesel is a waste of time, waste of oil and a waste of our money.

it sounded good on paper but when it right if front of you then it hurts.



YOU CAN NOT TAKE A PRODUCT THAT IS CHEAP REFINE IT IN TO A DIFFERENT PRODUCT TO REPLACE ONE THAT IS OVERPRICED WITH OUT THE COST OF THE BASE PRODUCT GOING UP. this time its a food product

they got their hand in the cookie jar grabed a load of cookies and cant get their hand out. they want the goverement to help them right.



I off to get my free (for now )vegetable oil so I can make my fuel to drive my truck.



GOD BLESS AMERICA,we need the help.



soy based biodiesel will run in CR Cummins at 100% dont let them tell you it won't or any other engine you have remember its the replacement for diesel fuel. thats what they said !!!!!!

so with that said I read the story from the 7th post will here a good lie you all should read this.



"But ever the entrepreneur, Plaza isn't about to give up. His latest venture, with the help of Boeing, is to develop and manufacture “green” aviation fuel.



A Virgin Atlantic 747 that flew from London to Amsterdam in February was partially powered by a biofuel produced by Imperium. It was the first such flight by a commercial airline.



One of the plane's engines was powered by a mixture of kerosene, babassu oil and coconut oil. Babassu oil comes from the seeds of the babassu palm, which grows in the Amazon region of South America. It and coconut oil are often used in cosmetics.



“It's a hot topic out of necessity,” Plaza said about biofuels.



He said the new aviation fuel could be cheaper than the Jet A fuel now used and could reduce carbon dioxide emissions from jet engines by 80 percent. Airplanes could start flying regularly on biofuel within three to five years, and the Grays Harbor plant could be modified to produce it, Plaza said.



Pilots on the Virgin Atlantic flight said they noticed no drop in performance in the engine running on biofuels. Mechanics later found the engine had not been affected, said Terrance Scott, a Boeing spokesman.



“This is not about rhetoric, this is about finding a biofuel,” said Scott. “We are looking for something that will offset fuel costs and burn cleaner. ”



did you see the lie,,,,, here it is!!!!

"He said the new aviation fuel could be cheaper than the Jet A fuel now".

thats what they said about the new ulsd three years ago!!!!!!!









cj hall

 

[LSchulz]

Doesn't matter what feedstock (soy, corn, canola. . ,) as long as it's distilled to ASTM 6751 standard, which then allows it to carry the patented product name biodiesel.

Yup. If it's commercially produced, put it in the tank and go. Carry some extra fuel filters, as the first few tanks will clean out any crud in your system. The truck will thank you for it.