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With the help of fellow TDR members I finished up on the SPA Dual Gauge install and thought I would post so others thinking about this gauge will find it in their searches.

I did two trucks- a 6 speed EGT/Boost gauge and an Auto trans. Temp/Temp gauge for EGT/Trans temp monitoring.



Inside I replaced the A Pillar with an SRT-10 A Pillar from Dodge. Since I did 2 trucks I found that one was an interference fit that needed no rear gauge bracket while the other was too loose and needed the bracket. Same Pillar just one had a bigger gauge hole.



For interference fit I suggest leaving enough wire/cable hanging out of the pod hole and then just push the gauge in. This way allows for easy access to the back of the gauge with out removing the Pillar for fuse replacement or taking advantage of the external gauge outputs.



For Pillars with a larger hole it’s a good idea to relocate the gauges inline fuse to under the dash for ease of replacement if needed. If the hole is not too big a wrap of electrical tape might do vs the rear bracket.



Running the wires was straight forward with ground, keyed power and the sensor cables.

Access through the firewall on the automatic truck was made by drilling the clutch plate block off

here



On the 6 speed truck access was made through the auto trans. shift cable boot block off here



I grounded to the metal frame behind the knee bolster. Keyed power was picked up on the red wire going to the cig lighter, one screw to remove on the trash bag hook and the radio dash pops back far enough to splice into that wire.



For the thermocouple I chose to install pre turbo in the hottest spot. I removed the air filter housing top half down to the turbo and put some duct tape over the inlet, this gave some more room to work.

Using 3 different size drill bits I worked my way up to a 7/16” hole. For concern of debris in the turbo I used grease on the drill bit and a shop vac hose was necked down in a transmission fill funnel. The suction was so strong through that tip the hose and funnel stayed together on their own.



This is where I drilled



Taping the hole I used a ¼” NPT tap and again with grease on the tip, I cleaned shavings and re-greased 3 times each time going farther in. I taped far enough so the SPA fitting would be flush inside the manifold.



The probe is adjustable so using a small piece of wire I was able to determine a ½ way point in the manifold port and tightened the probe there.



I unsnapped the trucks wire harness case at the fire wall and slipped the thermocouple wire in there.



For the 6 speeds Boost sensor I used a Boost Bolt from Gino’s Garage and for the SPA pressure transducer there is only one spot that will work due to the size of it. It is the next to the last bolt back here



I ran the transducer pigtail also through the trucks wire harness case.



For the Auto trans temp sensor I chose the pan for the reason that my research found industry wide 165-195 deg is the best temps to shoot for in terms of longevity and that 225 deg is the “hot point” at which you need to take action. These numbers are all based on “in pan” readings and I didn’t want to try and convert those to torque converter outlet temps on the way to the cooler. The front line is the out line to the cooler and that’s the hottest if you want to go there.



In looking at the pan and transmission I came to the conclusion that there is only one place for the sensor IMO.

The rear of the pan would not due as the sensor would get bathed in incoming cool fluid from the cooler. The right side I didn’t like as the sensor wire would be close to the exhaust. The left side I didn’t like as it would be by the front drive line.



I ended up placing it here in the front as far away from incoming fluid as possible.



I drilled a 7/16” hole and taped ¼” NPT for the fitting. Screwed it in and then brazed both sides. I have done some welding and this doesn’t look that nice but it was my first attempt at brazing and doesn’t leak.



Anyway I hope this info is found useful.
 
Originally posted by Matt400

For the Auto trans temp sensor I chose the pan for the reason that my research found industry wide 165-195 deg is the best temps to shoot for in terms of longevity and that 225 deg is the “hot point” at which you need to take action.



Whats done is done but I had the opportunity to learn something and so am passing it on...



My Temp/Temp gauge came with two sensors one for each gauge but I purchased a thermocouple for the EGT function so this left me with an extra sensor.



Today I mounted that extra sensor in the governor pressure test port and ran the trans through several drive cycles switching the lead to and from the pan and governor port while observing the gauge I found they read within 1 degree of each other.



I did this out of curiosity because 1) I was told that the test ports will have stagnate fluid and not be as accurate and 2) I had the extra sensor yet I found they were so close that drilling the pan like I did was a waste of time.
 
I love my spa gauges, I have got 2 dual gauges. I moneter Boost,transmission, fuel pressure,and air intake temp. I love to shoot the NOS and see the air intake go from 100 degrees to -50 degrees in seconds.
 
Thanks Matt-



I have the SPA dual Boost & Pyro. I don't need the boost anymore and want to use it to monitor fuel pressure. How do I do this ?

Thanks

Stick
 
A tad off subject, but if you are looking for a good price on an SPA EGT/boost gauge, I just picked one up for $330. Here
 
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stick said:
I don't need the boost anymore and want to use it to monitor fuel pressure. How do I do this ?
Ok. . here is the settings to do this with the Boost, temp, or pressure channel of a SPA dual gauge:



In Manual the oFF and SPn are incremented in 0. 01V (10mV) steps.



Set the oFF to 0. 50V which equals 0 psi on the OEM transducer, set the SPn to 4. 50V which equals 26,107 psi and then FSC to 261 representing full scale, set dEC to 1 and it should be spot on. It does not really matter if the span and full scale figures are not at the very end of the range. As long as it has two known points that’s all that matters.



My tests were done with a VAC3. 1 and a Ramifier (not stacked), if you are using another box you will need to make sure the box is not skewing the transducer signal all the way back at the transducer or your gauge will also be fooled.

To do this- measure the voltage on the center pin of the transducer while at WOT and insure it will go to at least 4. 0v This requires a DVOM (Digital Volt Ohm Meter) with at least 100K ohms impedance, most are 10M. Place it inside the truck and just run your Leeds under the hood by the drivers wiper.



Once you establish your box is compatible you simply hook the SPA’s input wire to the center wire on the transducer, be sure to do it right at the transducer.



This will work with a boost, pressure or temperature gauge. You could contact SPA to see if they would send you a replacement face plate that would show what is being monitored. The high level alarm in the boost and temp gauges functions normally but if you use a pressure gauge those only have a low pressure warning.



I am working on the possibility of a high level alarm using a SPA pressure gauge because their pressure gauges are only configured with a low level alarm, fine for the lift pump but not the rail.
 
Matt400 said:
My Temp/Temp gauge came with two sensors one for each gauge but I purchased a thermocouple for the EGT function so this left me with an extra sensor.



Today I mounted that extra sensor in the governor pressure test port and ran the trans through several drive cycles switching the lead to and from the pan and governor port while observing the gauge I found they read within 1 degree of each other.



I did this out of curiosity because 1) I was told that the test ports will have stagnate fluid and not be as accurate and 2) I had the extra sensor yet I found they were so close that drilling the pan like I did was a waste of time.



Due to post #8 at this thread I have to warn others reading this info I posted that I never tested it in reverse. Looks like the output line or the pan are the best to measure from. Thanks again Stefan
 
SPA Digital Gauge LED died.....again

Well today was the last straw, I had the green LED go out on my SPA boost/EGT gauge. This is the foruth gague head I have had go bad (all LED failures) and this one is out of warranty. Does any one have any other ideas for digital gauges?? I don't like the look of the dakota digitals... any others??



I may go for a BD X-monitor... any thoughts.



The thing that really makes me angry is that I have two SPA gagues in a dual pod, both are hooked to the same power supply and the same ground. The gauge on the top (boost/egt) dies once a year of so, the one on the bottom works great like the day it was installed. Ugh, guess its time to spend some hours on the net searching for the next best thing.
 
JR2,

They both have the same power but are they using their own fuse?

I would check for high resistance from the gauge to the point where the other SPA's power is connected.

High resistance will burn out the led's
 
My backlight display is gone! Is the backlight the same LED that you guys are refering to? The backlight started flickering on and off a month ago and now I can only read the gauge during daylight. Sometimes it comes back though - maybe 10 seconds worth. If I go through the menus the backlight and brightness settings are all good. Gauge fuse is good. Gauge power is from the cigar lighter circuit. It's still kind of irritating though since these are expensive gauges!
 
Matt400 said:
Try switching to the second color and see what happens.



Matt-



Tried that too - only worked for 5 minutes! Weird thing is that everything else works. I figured that if it was bad electrical connections then the gauge itself wouldn't work, but in my case the display is the only thing that works. I have an email in to Matthew Reed at SPA a few weeks ago, but so far no response (email hasn't bounced and he was usually pretty good about responding). I did read on here though that their US office moved.
 
JStieger said:
I have an email in to Matthew Reed at SPA a few weeks ago, but so far no response (email hasn't bounced and he was usually pretty good about responding).
I think they are really busy people cuz I always had to wait when doing email. Phone is better but either way its best to get on a regular schedule to call or email every week as a follow up till the issue is handled.
 
Chalk up another LED failure. Mine has been flickering for about a month or so. Changed to the red backlight, and while it looks like crap, at least I can read it at night. I guess we should lower our expectations that things should work as designed.
 
I have never had all three of my gauges working correctly there is always something wrong with them they are very high maintence and a gauge shouldn't be IMO. I have had two full sets now for 5 years and wish I would have never tried them espically at what the cost.



BBD
 
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