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Spent a few minutes at the scales, thoughts anyone??

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Okay so I stopped by a scale here at work and played around with some of the weights with and without the W/D setup. Overall I am happy where it sits. It tows excellent very smooth, stable, and no sway or porpoising.

As with anything, I may be overlooking something. So input is appreciated.

The weight's are very close to what I normally see on DOT scales. I didn't have the family, and I got out of the truck for all the weights so the FAW is about 300lbs lower than normal. The scale I used today also wasn't dead level approaching and leaving, so I would assume ±100 lbs is accurate. Like I said, very close to normal weight on the trailer and rear axle, just a little light upfront with an empty cab. Based on the size of the scale I was unable to check the RAW without the W/D (didn't have time to fully unhook and pull away), but can do the math on it.

Front Axle (5,200lb rating, 6390lbs of tire rating)
4520lbs with W/D hooked up
4320lbs with W/D unhooked

Rear Axle (6,200lb OEM rating, 6390lbs of tire rating)
6050lbs with W/D hooked up
6200lbs with W/D unhooked (based on FAW and GVW)

GVW
10620 with W/D hooked up
10520 with W/D unhooked

Trailer Weight
8230

Tongue weight with a level trailer
1250lbs (15%)

Trailer Axle (2ea 5,200lbs axles with 5,080lbs of tire rating)
7080 with W/D hooked up
6980 with W/D unhooked

This is with my sig truck and TT, a small 4wheeler, firewood, and bikes in the bed and 7/8 of tank of fuel. Suspension highlights are Firestone Airbags at 30psi (1,500lbs of leveling assistance) and a 1" level kit (the main reason for more than a few psi in the bags). The truck and trailer are pretty much level with this setup. I use an Equal-I-Zer W/D hitch.

I weighed the truck on the scale 3 weeks ago with an empty bed, full fuel, myself, and normal summer stuff in the tool box.

Front Axle
5020

Rear Axle
3360

Here is the breakdown in terms of ratings. The first number is axle rating, the second is tire rating. This is with the W/D hooked up as that is normal.

Front
86%/71%

Rear
98%/95%

Trailer
68%/70%

To me it looks like I am getting a decent amount of weight transferred with the W/D setup to the truck and trailer, and while my rear axle is close to the tire limit (only one I care about) I think it's loaded well.
 
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Looks good. Loaded, your truck is 3540# heavier than your trailer, it should pull great with a lot of control. I am almost always heavier on the trailer than the truck, so ya gotta drive:) Your truck is also 1000# heavier than mine. It also looks like when you are running around empty, but with your family, your front axle is at capacity, the same is true for the rear axle when you are loaded. Is there a higher rated 17" tire that they make, besides stock? With my 285/75x16E, my rear axle is good for 7500# which I need sometimes.



Nick
 
Very nice work, w/ the summer I have in store, nice to see how much the w/d actually move the #s around.
I may just have to try it myself, un-manned log truck scale not too far away.
 
Wow!!! Your TT is that heavy and putting this much weight on the truck axles?

I do not mean to criticize but these loads seam awful high compared to my truck pulling a 5er.

I have weighed my truck with the trailer twice since I have owned this 5er and both times they come within a couple of hundred pounds of each other. Now you have me wondering if I am doing something wrong when weighing the truck in my Signature and 5er...

My truck weights from a Cat scale fully loaded with fuel, wife, myself and ready to travel for two weeks with food and gear in the 5er. No water is in the 5er such as all of the tanks are empty; we do not dry camp. This is with the 5er attached; I could not drop the 5er since trucks were waiting to weigh also both times.

Steer Axle 4940LBS

Truck axle rated for 5200 LBS

Drive Axle 5160LBS

Truck rear axle rated for 6010 LBS, Tires are rated for 3195LBS at 80 PSI each

Trailer Axles 8140LBS (2 axle trailer)

Trailer axles are rated for 5,200 LBS each; Tires are rated for 3,042 LBS at 80 PSI upgraded tires to Michelin XPS rib's.

Gross Weight 18,240 LBS (scaled)

Truck Gross Combined Weight rating of 20,000 LBS

Does this seem right to you?

Jim W.
 
This is what mine scales out at...



Megacab w/33' Cougar Fifthwheel. Wife and I in the cab. Loaded with food, fully stocked for extended stay, grandkid stuff, some firewood. All tanks dry other than 10 gallons of fresh water for toilet and hand washing use while in transit. Propane tanks full. Truck full of fuel.



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Mike.

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Mine is a bit heavier!

Loaded weights

Truck

Front 5,180

Rear 8,780

Total truck 13,940

Trailer

front 6,340

rear 7,540

Total trailer 14,300

Total Combined 28,240
 
Steer is 7580, drive is 6120. Total 13,700, This was almost full of fuel and a few ratchet binders in the box.
Steer 6660, Drive 11,840 total 35,460 Close to same amount of fuel. This was a new horse trailer. Have pulled a few heavier but customer wanted the ticket so I don't have the ticket.
 
Steer is 7580, drive is 6120. Total 13,700, This was almost full of fuel and a few ratchet binders in the box.

Steer 6660, Drive 11,840 total 35,460 Close to same amount of fuel.



Why did your steering axle loose so much weight with a load? Is that a typo?



Nick
 
Wow!!! Your TT is that heavy and putting this much weight on the truck axles?

I do not mean to criticize but these loads seam awful high compared to my truck pulling a 5er.

I have a bed full of other stuff too, a 4wheeler, firewood, bike's, a little extra water, etc. The tongue weight is only 1250 lbs of the 2700lb increase on the rear axle. The rest is cargo. I will try to drag my camper by a scale sometime with an empty bed and report back.

Your setup seems normal, maybe a little light on pin weight thou without an empty weight on your truck it's hard to say.
 
ok... question... pretend that I have no clue what y'all are talking about... explain why everyone is so interested in these weights. Other than the obvious of overloading one axle and tearing something up, is there a legal reason? Do different states view privately owned truck/camper combos?
 
ok... question... pretend that I have no clue what y'all are talking about... explain why everyone is so interested in these weights. Other than the obvious of overloading one axle and tearing something up, is there a legal reason? Do different states view privately owned truck/camper combos?





Read the post; "Straight Scoop" in this forum, lots of discussion on your question.



Nick
 
ok... question... pretend that I have no clue what y'all are talking about... explain why everyone is so interested in these weights. Other than the obvious of overloading one axle and tearing something up, is there a legal reason? Do different states view privately owned truck/camper combos?

No legal issues, just purely looking at raw numbers.
 
Interesting info. One of these days I'll have to visit some scales. Another weight that would be interesting on the trailer would be side to side. My dad went to a Michelin seminar about Class A motorhomes and was amazed at how overloaded one side could be due to how the load was packed.
 
Why did your steering axle loose so much weight with a load? Is that a typo?



Nick



Went and looked again at the scale ticket. That is what it said. I am scheduled to pick up one on Thursday and the lady said it was a big one as well. Might have to weigh that one also.
 
My 09 3500 SRW with 14ply 19. 5" Rims, (rated at 4050# @ 110 psi)... towing my 36' 5th wheel toyhauler,



My front axle weighs around 4800#, the drives at 6400# the 3 axles total on the trailer is 12,000# 16" BF Goodrich Commercial T/A, "E" tires. 2800# rating per tire... 23,100# total. . I have been as high as 26K with a 14' utility trailer behind that with 2 quads and a Rhino 4x4 in the trailer... 72' overall length. :eek:
 
Did my rig when leaving OR, 2 adults, 2 kids one large dog 110lbs! And FULL w/ a TT behind w/ WD hitch
Steering 4900
Drive 5300
TT 9100
Total 19300
 
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