stacking or injectors?

[osiris]

Ok so i have the Banks PDA and i am trying to decide what i wanna do next. I have aTC and vb from HTS on the way that will be installed as soon as the parts get here. I would like to know what would be the "safest" way to go as far as getting more power. I dont want to hear get rid of the Banks because i already spent the money on it and dont want to sell it. So i have been thinking about stacking either the smarty, flashpaq or the BDDL with my PDA or going with a set of injectors from DDP or some Don Ms. What do you guys think would be the best way to go? I do have the stock turbo still but will be upgrading that in the next cpl months.





Thanks in advance

 

[osiris]

anyone? ok i guess just anyone? was too short haha

 

[Cummins724]

I'd stay away from the injectors until you upgrade turbo, lift pump... . you will run your rail dry with the stock lp. Then I'd do a smarty for sure!

 

[JRamirez]

Get a lift pump first. After that I would run the DDP nozzles. I like the smarty idea as well. It all depends on how much power you want to make. I would try to get the turbo fast if you get the nozzles.

 

[PRawls]

Can you stack the Banks? How exactly would that work? I just downloaded the new Banks program and it feels like they toned down some of the settings. I may reinstall the first program.

 

[osiris]

yeah there are a few guys on here with the banks that have stacked it with a downloaded such as the smarty, flashpaq and the bddl and have had some pretty good results. I know that that stacking would probably be easier i am just worried about adding too much timing? I was thinking that if i went with the smarty i would load in level 6 no timing and then adjust accordingly with the pda for more or less power.

 

[Cummins724]

Can you stack the Banks? How exactly would that work? I just downloaded the new Banks program and it feels like they toned down some of the settings. I may reinstall the first program.

You are gonna need a upgraded clutch for sure to run smarty.

 

[osiris]

ok so aside from the extra stuff i need what is going to be safer? injectors or stacking?

 

[RobertP]

ok so aside from the extra stuff i need what is going to be safer? injectors or stacking?

if you plan on a turbo the injectors would be the safer route. but like stated above you will need some type of lift pump mod, to avoid running the rail dry. although im not sure if the banks along with the injectors would be aggressive enough to even run the rail dry.

 

[Bodie]

yeah there are a few guys on here with the banks that have stacked it with a downloaded such as the smarty, flashpaq and the bddl and have had some pretty good results. I know that that stacking would probably be easier i am just worried about adding too much timing? I was thinking that if i went with the smarty i would load in level 6 no timing and then adjust accordingly with the pda for more or less power.

Smarty SW#6 by itself is enough to destroy your clutch and drop fuel pressure. I say get rid of the Banks buy a Smarty, fuel system and clutch. It may cost a little more but you WILL love it.

 

[osiris]

hmm well i dont need a clutch because i have an auto lol... . i did however just get a suncoast triple disc and HTS valve body... . I know no one on here really likes the banks but i really do like the product just looking for a little more. Thats why i am asking which way would be safer injectors or stacking something?

 

[Cummins724]

I always looked at it like this..... You can't turn the injectors down if they run the rail dry or make to much heat..... you can turn smarty down. The quadzilla boost fooler works pretty well at lowering egts & raising boost around 10psi..... if you do decide to get the injectors.

 

[Bodie]

hmm well i dont need a clutch because i have an auto lol... . i did however just get a suncoast triple disc and HTS valve body... . I know no one on here really likes the banks but i really do like the product just looking for a little more. Thats why i am asking which way would be safer injectors or stacking something?

whoops! thats what I get for not reading. lol Even with just the Smarty you would have to be carefull on boosted launches without shafts and a flex plate.

 

[Gibbs]

I have the 6-gun with speed loader and I don't know if I was running the rail dry, but when on level 6 my fuel press. would drop to 0 psi pretty easily. I'm running Walbro 392 now so no more press. problems. But I'm looking for more now, can't decide between injectors or stacking.

 

[oneshotkyle]

I know no one on here really likes the banks but i really do like the product just looking for a little more.

a set of 50-90hp injectors and smarty. throw that banks in the glove box.

 

[TCDiesel]

Does the smarty Have Audible warnings, or a visual screen. is it a command center. Is it Blue tooth,or GPS multi-functional... I guess if you are ONLY interested in HP/TQ the smarty does the job. .

 

[TCDiesel]

if you plan on a turbo the injectors would be the safer route. but like stated above you will need some type of lift pump mod, to avoid running the rail dry. although im not sure if the banks along with the injectors would be aggressive enough to even run the rail dry.

Version 1. 5 @ 200% fuel, will support 50 to 90 hp injectors easily.

 

[oneshotkyle]

I guess if you are ONLY interested in HP/TQ the smarty does the job. .

i have 120hp injectors and tow my toy hauler 23-24k combined. climbimg some steep 6 AND 7% grades i have to feather the throttle to keep her on or around 1300degrees. last trip i loaded smarty on 90hp (made 486hp/923tq on sw#5) and now climb some of those hills 15mph faster at the same EGT. only disadvantage i can see is the exhaust haze on the side of my hauler, but that will just have to be.



smarty has done more than build dyno number for me. if it wasn't for all the need/want to have all this power and torque we would all be driving 50mpg VW jetta's.

 

[TCDiesel]

If those 120 hp + smarty are spraying on the Trailer I wonder what's being dump into the crankcase... the soot on the trailer is just a tremor compare to what happening to the internals. .

The technology exist today to produce incredible amounts of hp without the smoke. . Look at the OTR engines today well over a million miles on factory Mains and rods. I talk to a OTR gentlemen today that was making a fuel delivery, He had 1. 2 million on his stock injectors and bottom (3406 Cat), although he did need to replace the injector cups at 800,000 miles. By the way he mention his service interval were 40,000. 00 miles on ams synthetic HD oil.

Smoke is common on most all aftermarket injector, sure they add Hp at what cost. . More fuel usage lower service interval's,and a measure of reliability is lost. . If aftermarket Injector are that great Bosch would swallow them up in a heart beat... and the maker would be worth millions. .

 

[oneshotkyle]

since you seem to know so much about diesels show me a 3406 cat motor that puts out more power to cubic inches of this little 5. 9 cummins. oh ya and one that is still drivable and usable.