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E7mack96 said:
Is it feasable to make 500 gals of Bio per day. Fuel is costing me nearly 10K more per month, and I need a solution. I am considering all options, including making bio at my business for my fleet to use. We average 500-700 gals per day in purchases. I can invest in the infrastructure, if feasable.



any ideas.



You need to read the website at

http://hydrogenappliances.com/bioD.html



They can do that and more. They have kits for small users that produce 1 quart every 4 minutes to big plants that can produce 1000's of gallons per day.



Neat part of it is, you can either use waste motor oil, or veggie oil from the chinese restaurants, or a combo of both. Mix it with 25% to 50% diesel and you have your own bio-diesel mixture. You control the cleanliness, etc...



Here is a pix of a medium sized plant for 2,000 gal/day



John
 
yes..... there are two solutions that I have come across Iam sure there are more... ... ... Let me find them and post the links here. One makes a few hundred a day I think and is good for a 100k gallons a year and the other was substantially more.
 
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Hey guys. I've been running bio since 2001, and it's great stuff. I ran my tdi 35k on only b100 with no problems, have run b20 in my benz since 01 with great results, as well as the new Cummins.



As far as homebrewing and road tax are concerned - it's an ethical choice. On one hand, you can look at biodiesel as a 'neat fuel' or a replacement fuel , and pay road tax on it. On the other hand, biodiesel can be considered 'fuel additives' for lubricity if you're not using 100%, and there aren't road taxes on fuel additives. For the most part, I think homebrewers take the stance of calling it an additive.



For processors, someone posted a link above to a nice site with processors. Another great place to get processors that really are well thought out and work well is www.biodieselgear.com .
 
Paul, it has a higher cloud/gel point than #2, so some caution must be exercised when running blends higher than b50 or so. If you are using b20, you are good to about -5F or so, but if you are thinking of using b20 in those types of temps, just get a jug of powerservice arctic express biodiesel antigel... . it's specifically made for b20. If you are using b15 or less, I would simply treat it like regular diesel. I've run my mb at -5 with b20 and never noticed a difference. Oh , aside from a much quieter idle !
 
Biodiesel

Looks like Minnesota is going to a 2% biodiesel for "all" retailers. This is to address the lubricity issue for low sulfer diesel. The industry and government is starting to catch on to the benefits of even small amounts of biodiesel in the fuel. I'm sure there are those in the oil industry fighting like hell to get this stopped.

Found a good article by Stanadyen on just how much lubricity that 2% bio provided. Even with low sulfer diesel. . 2% was all that was needed to bring lubricity back up to par. It's incredibly slippery stuff.

Some of the "downside" issues with biodiesel will be winter use and algea (tank slime). Apperently biodiesel is a great medium for growing "bugs", so long term storage could be problematic.

My biodiesel station, in the Boise Id area, has closed down. They were selling B20 and I was going out of my way to support these guy's. Incredibly, the one station that was singled out to sell biodiesel . . was "WAY" out of sight where you would never find it if you were'nt looking real hard. I guess industry and government isn't trying "that" hard to get the ball rolling.

Too bad... . this is a great home grown product that would help supplement our use of dino oil. The current high price of fuel oil/diesel will force us to look at these, and other, alternatives.



Mike
 
PLaFrombois said:
How is the biodiesel for cold weather? Will more additives be needed to prevent gelling?



Paul



Paul,



If you run a fairly high mix of veggie, or even run it straight, you will want to invest in a heated fuel line/tank system. The "experts" advise bringing the temperature on straight veggie up to 160* F for best efficiency and keeping the stress down on the injection pumps. Cold veggie is pretty stiff stuff.

See http://www.greasel.com/body_index.html



Here in Phoenix I am not worrying too much about that with only 50 or 60% veggie/oil mix. At the moment though, I am only using filtered aircraft waste engine oil. Don't have to worry about it jelling up. Just the normal PM with biocide for the alge stuff. As for lubricity, well, oil is great in that department.



http://www.veggievan.org/video/

http://www.biofuels.coop/peter/fuellines.html

http://www.greasecar.com/forum_topicview.cfm?frmtopicID=885

http://www.veggiepower.org.uk/

http://www.homepower.com/files/veggievan.pdf

http://www.middleburycampus.com/new...Discussion.On.Alternative.Energy-524220.shtml

http://www.liquidsolar.org/docs/faq.html



and a fun article to read http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0629/p02s01-usgn.html



This is by no means an exhaustive list... vary your search terms. This list came up under "veggie fuel"
 
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Since there aren't THAT many biodiesel threads, but there are a TON of oil related threads, I think a great compromise would be a general Fuels/Lubricants section. That same section at the TDICLUB is a favorite to many and provides great info. Discussions about oil bypass systems, oil analysis reports, premium diesel fuel, etc. It would be great.
 
LightmanE300 said:
Mhenon - the minnesota 2% biodiesel law was passed years ago by jesse ventura of all people. Go wwf! Lol



My daughter just moved here and told me about the 2% bio in the fuel. I hadn't heard about this before. It would be great to see all the states adopt this as ultra low sulfer fuels come on board. Seems like 2% is the best bang for the buck when it comes to addressing pump/injector wear.



Mike
 
sbentz said:
As some have heard, we run 100% bio in the dragster. I run 20% in the tow rig, (B20) and it is great. Watch for the wackos that are making their own. Make sure you know where it comes from...



Best i have found is virgin Soy, Rapeseed or other commerial fuel crop source, not "McDiesel" old french fry oil filtered... .











Well here in Las Vegas the school busses have been running b20 McDiesel for a while now with no problems that I've heard of with all the casinos the source of the wvo is controlled pretty well.



I've yet to join the Wackos club yet partially thanks to LV having the only commercial wvo biodiesel facility in the country (that I know of) causing used fryer grease to actually be worth money and partially cause I'm just lazy.
 
There are plenty of bio companies that use WVO. The bio operation on Maui which has been around for years uses only WVO. Griffin which is probably one of the two biggest commercial biodiesel producers, uses mostly WVO for it's product - biog3000. Biodiesel made from WVO typically has a higher cetane, and a higher cloud point. For those in warmer climates, as long as it's made to quality spec, will prefer WVO bio to virgin oil bio.
 
Biodiesel Forum

I like what I have seen so far on this thread. Lots of good info has been shared between everyone. I have been making biodiesel for a few years now in upstate NY and have enjoyed the benefits and seen the problems as well (mostly gelling due to insuffiecent prevention treatment which is my fault). My two first generation trucks have 30,000 combined miles on B100 plus more on my winter blends. I am currently working on a large business venture that is taking advantage of the recent tax legislation passed for biodiesel in the jobs creation act. There are also some large changes taking place in the state of New York in regards to funding and usage. I would definately search the information on your state's energy department web site: for many have current biodiesel programs and incentives. I did see that many of you are worried about quality. Simply make sure that the fuel meets the ASTM D 6751 standard. If your supplier can't tell you this information then I would be nervous.
 
Willie Nelson now marketing BioDiesel to help Farmers

Caught this in the local paper, then searched for the AP article... ... . I don't like retyping stuff... ... ... .....

-John





Willie Nelson Marketing Biodiesel



01/14/2005 1:59 PM, AP

Matt Curry



"On the Road Again" means something new for Willie Nelson these days — a chance for truckers to fill their tanks with clean-burning biodiesel fuel.



Nelson and three business partners recently formed a company called Willie Nelson's Biodiesel that is marketing the fuel to truck stops. The fuel is made from vegetable oils, mainly soybeans, and can be burned without modification to diesel engines.



It may be difficult to picture the 71-year-old hair-braided Texas rebel as an energy company executive, but the singer's new gig is in many ways about social responsibility — and that is classic Nelson.



"There is really no need going around starting wars over oil. We have it here at home. We have the necessary product, the farmers can grow it," said Nelson, who organized Farm Aid two decades ago to draw attention to the plight of American agriculture.



Nelson told The Associated Press in an interview last week that he began learning about the product a few years ago after his wife purchased a biodiesel-burning car in Hawaii, where the star has a home.



"I got on the computer and punched in biodiesel and found out this could be the future," said Nelson, who now uses the fuel for his cars and tour buses.



Peter Bell, a Texas biodiesel supplier, struck up a friendship with Nelson after filling up one of the tour buses, and the business partnership came together just before Christmas.



Bell said Nelson's name will help the largely unknown fuel — typically purchased by government agencies to promote environmental awareness — gain wider national acceptance. The fuel's average U. S. price per gallon is $1. 79.



"What Willie brings to this is the ability to communicate directly with a truck driver. That kind of community is hard for people to get to," Bell said. "When he starts talking, these folks really listen to him. ... It's like having Tiger Woods talk about golf clubs. "



Still, a driver can cover many miles without spotting a biodiesel pump. A map on the National Biodiesel Board's Web site shows a heavy concentration of distributors in the Midwest, but very few in other parts of the country.



Nelson's group is currently negotiating with Oklahoma City-based Love's Travel Stops & Country Stores to carry the fuel at its 169 locations nationwide.



Dan Gilligan, president of the Petroleum Marketers Association of America, expects commercial expansion for biodiesel, but says that supplies are still limited and that making the fuel available in northern states is a challenge.



"For terminals to store biodiesel, they have to store it in heated tanks to avoid gelling problems. That's a challenge for the industry to overcome," he said.



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On the Internet:



http://www.wnbiodiesel.com



http://www.biodiesel.org
 
Do not worry

Headshot zod said:
I've actually looked into that, it varies by state. One states allow you an "Alt Fuels" permit for $180. 00 per year. Which I would gladly pay. In fact most states with alt fuels stuff on the books allow you to drive in the H. O. V. lanes... . Let me find the link that had all 50 states in it. I'll post it when I find it.



I would like to say that since we are helping the enviroment we should be exempt. But then there are whiners who might complain that we aren't paying taxes. I figure electric vehicles don't pay road taxes... . and so what if they don't.
The law makers will find a way to tax us when their coffers are not so full :rolleyes:
 
Its the nature of government (not that I agree with it).



I caught an article somewhere online about Britons frenchfry police where they target people who use vegetable oil instead of taxed fuel. I can't imagine the cost of officers versus the amount of people they nab ever balancing out. Its actually cheaper there to buy litres of food quality cooking oil then diesel. Here I can buy a cube of soy cooking oil for about . 91 a quart/3. 64 a gallon. Evidently there is a limit to how much cooking oil you can buy at the local food store in the UK.
 
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