Starting a Biodiesel Forum........

[Frak]

Damb Straight!!!!!

 

[Frak]

How to get a Bio-Diesel Plant/Station going in a new state?

I live in Idaho and the closest I've found a fill station is in Montana, one hell of a drive for petrol. :--)



If you have a large agriculture sector in the state, you could probably try to get the ball rolling with farmers, or go for the JUGULAR and propose the idea to JR Simplot. (Largest land owner in Idaho) Everything from massive feed lots to thousands of acre of Ag. Just thinking how to get people motivated and more Bio at the pump.



Heard there opening a new plant in Texas, how long did that take? and What are they using for fuel? Anyone know who to talk to about getting started?

 

[master1578]

I found this on MSN today:



http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Savinganddebt/Saveonacar/P115218.asp

 

[JoeBioDiesel]

. . as always there are some technical errors... like B100 Biodiesel is a mixture of 80% veg oil and 20% alcohol



but I suppose any press is good press.



Joe

 

[Diesel Dually]

I don't have the link handy but the University of New Hampshire is looking into the feasibility of B100 to EVENTUALLY replace dino-diesel for vehicles and home heating.

From what I have read they are looking at using algea as the source plant instead of soy or rapeseed. It is supposed to have a much higher yield and production facilities could be built almost anywhere. Algea can also be used in waste water treatment plants to help breakdown wastes and clean the water then be harvested and converted into bio-diesel.

There seems to be many ways to produce bio-diesel and with a combination of these if interest is high enough (people purchase the product) the price should come down and research ramp up which should resolve the relatively few problems that there appears to be.

There is no need to change the delivery systems and again the biggest hurdle is the gelling problem in colder states.

Hybrids IMO are just a stop gap, and wait until they need service since they have two power plants and expensive batteries which become hazardous waste when they go bad...

 

[mhenon]

I was thinking about blending in 5-10% WVO to diesel & running that. I agree, a straight WVO out here in the winter would be inviting disaster. Anybody try a blended fuel yet? DK.

DKayse, You could probably run a 5% mix of WVO for a long time without any problems. I would filter it well first. Just be aware that there are issues with veggie oils and direct injected engines.

Mike

 

[barbwire]

Diesel Dually, If the bit about the algea is fact, then there is a potential here in N. D. Because there are hundreds of sloughs that get awfully green with algae in the summer time. Man, a person could literally harvest thousands of tons of it. Of course there would be tons of bugs in it as well. :laf But who knows, maybe they will burn as well.

 

[CWebster]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but the government has a rebate of a penny a percent (B2 = $. 02, B100 = $1. 00)here in Michigan (Nationally?). I've priced 500 gallons locally and it is $1. 92 (after rebate) for B12, and $1. 82 (after rebate) for B100. Rebate takes some 4-7 weeks to receive. I think that if enough people in a local area were to form a "Co-op" situation (to buy in bulk)with an easily accessible tank that they could realize some pretty good savings. Same with businesses.....



Chris

 

[tpuig]

Excellent thread. Thanks for all the great info.

I have a co worker who bought a mid '90's F250 just so he could run WVO. Collects old oil from local restaurants. Gets it home, pours it into a 55 gal drum and filters it down to 1 micron. Then transfers it into a 2nd bed mounted fuel tank. He starts the truck on pure diesel #2, then once it's warmed up switches to the veg oil tank. Other than his small cost for materials of the tanks and pumps, and his time, it's free driving. We don't have to worry about weather getting too cold here in CA.

I'm tempted to cut my #2 with some, but think a 2nd tank would be a better idea. Just waiting for more input from 3rd Gen owners, and to put a few more miles on the truck before experimenting with my only good running vehicle... ;-)

TP



There are only a couple stations here in the SF Bay area that sell honest to goodness mass produced Bio diesel, and it's more costly than #2. Go figure.

 

[DieselTim]

Biodiesel

Ok, for all of you that are still just wanting to talk, Check out www.biodieselnow.com or www.atlantabiofuels.org . For the rest of you that have finally decided to get a move on and start making fuel that will cost you . 40- . 80 gal and about 2-4 hr of your time, I can help you get started and I may even be willing to give demos if you don't live too far away.

I do make and sell a kit that once you assemble it (2-3hrs) you can make all the fuel you need in 40gal batches. I have been running VW's and Dodge trucks on it as well as my Kubota tractor and even a small lawn mower for about the last yr. Oo.



If anyone has anymore ?s they can find me listed on both of the other forums by the same screen name.



Lets all quit paying for oil from blood and start putting our farmer back to work.



Dieseltim

 

[kcarroll1]

Greeting All:

This is my first time posting a fourm under TDR. Been reading this web for a while and final joined. It is good that I did.



Anyhow to BioDiesel - This a site that I use

BioDieselNow.com



Thank You

Ram Kevin



2003 Ram Cummings 1 ton 6 speed all stock

 

[southpaw]

I have been reading post since the first and have made a summer move from kommiefornia to s/w missery. But here I have room and am 2 mi from town. I have begun to collect wvo from Chinese resturants and have 20 gal so far which are in 5 gal. plastic cans which will be strained thru a fine filter into a 55 gal transparent drum then thru another filter into drum#2 . This is as processed as it will get for now as I will be using it in two farm tractors mainly to see if I get any seal melt down reaction. The tractors are an 85 mitsibishi and a 70 mimi moline both old but useable if all goes well then a blend into the cummins and the Mbz. I,m not trying to solve the world energy chrisis I just want to stop sending mony to people who would like for us to dissappear and I would have more mony to spend on icecream and golf. It will be a few more weeks but I will post the results good or bad . Lets do it.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Paul, it has a higher cloud/gel point than #2, so some caution must be exercised when running blends higher than b50 or so. If you are using b20, you are good to about -5F or so, but if you are thinking of using b20 in those types of temps, just get a jug of powerservice arctic express biodiesel antigel... . it's specifically made for b20. If you are using b15 or less, I would simply treat it like regular diesel. I've run my mb at -5 with b20 and never noticed a difference. Oh , aside from a much quieter idle !

Lightman,



Do you know where to buy Powerservice Artic express biodiesel antigel? I want to have some on hand just in case.

 

[LightmanE300]

HemiDart - I am not sure of the place but you might want to google it. I think powerservice won't sell it in anything less than a 55 gal drum, but there is some place that sells it in 5 gal containers... Look around, good luck!

 

[David Wheeler]

Kevin,



Welcome to the forums! I know you will get alot out of our little groups. Let your posting begin! Oh, and to help you avoid the foreseeable heckling..... there is no "g" in Cummins

Go ahead, roll coal!



David

 

[btanner]

just wanted to subscribe to keep up with the info



-ben

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

There ya go. It's on the main forum menu titled "Alternative Fuels". We'll be moving the existing threads as we get time. Enjoy.



-Steve

 

[Headshot zod]

Thanks Steve... ... ..... I can't believe its been 15 months... Tempus Fugit