Steering Kit

[cerberusiam]

Oh, they probably are compared to the OE pieces. I replaced the pitman arm end on the y-type and it did not last long, probably 20k. It was a Napa chassis part but pretty sure it was made by Moog. However, haven't had much better luck the t-type parts either, the drag link ends are not lasting very well. I got around 180k out of the tie rods and center link on the y-type before they had more slack than I liked. Had to replace the box so replaced the steering setup also. I think there is just less strain on the y-type than the t-type due to the geometry.

Not sure there is any good parts for the t-type besides the tie rods and even they are not as heavy as they could be but they at least have lasted well so far. The drag link ends quality fro the after market is not good, not sure if the OE pieces from Dodge is better or not as I trashed the OE piece sin about the same time as the NAPA chassis parts. Last time for the OE parts, will just build the cross over steering with the Ford and GM MD parts next time.

Based on the mileage I got on mine and what you have, over build it or it just be an reoccurring issue.

 

[Dave04]

Not to high jack the thread but I have having some steering issues. My steering wheel is super lose. I can turn it between 1/16 and 1/8 of a circle before it catches. Would replacing the gear box fix this? I have a BD steering stabilizer.

 

[Killer223]

i just had the moog "problem solvers" installed on my 04. and with only about 15K ish on them they are still tight. the moog panhard bar end links are still tight after 45K.
food for thought.

 

[cerberusiam]

Not to high jack the thread but I have having some steering issues. My steering wheel is super lose. I can turn it between 1/16 and 1/8 of a circle before it catches. Would replacing the gear box fix this? I have a BD steering stabilizer.

Depends on where the slack is, in the box or elsewhere. The box can be adjusted to a point, the steering column coupler under the dash can be tightened with new pins, but the steering components are replace only.

 

[Killer223]

And that relates to drag link and tie rods how? Good luck with the Moog junk, nobody else has managed to make the stuff last under hard usage.

Maybe I'm not typing English, or maybe your not comprehending what I typed. You know, reading and comprehending, there is a difference, try rereading, because I typed it right there for you, sorry you missed it.
as for hard usage, yeah, I drive to work, then I drive home, on the weekends I go wood cutting, some weekends I tow my trailer. At no point did I state it was hard usage. And at no point did I state it was the best or worst product. Simply stating what I had used. Why not try and keep the condescending comments to your own mind.

John asked about components, I simply stated what I am using and with decent results thus far.

 

[Killer223]

Maybe your not getting what i'm saying. I can't help you understand.
Anyhow;
John, I used the Moog problem solver TIE RODs. yes that's correct, steering components. I also mentioned the track bar bushings as they can have an effect on the steering feel of the truck.
They are seemingly well built, greasable units.

http://www.moogparts.com/find-my-pa...008~Dodge~Ram 2500&values=2008~Dodge~Ram 2500

Link provided for educational purposes.

 

[Killer223]

Really? your going to go there? this is a steering thread. me simply mentioning the parts I installed in my truck were Moog problem solvers, one would think that this being a steering component thread that the parts someone else mentions would pertain to that. you however assumed i was talking of suspension parts. not me. you made the first mistake. not me. it wasn't my laziness it was your assumption. so yes please think of me what you will.
i'm sure the other people in the thread know what I was talking about. your the one that needs more explanation is seems.

You know 90% of the time i take what you have to say with great care. you at first impressions seemed to be very well educated in these trucks.. and i don't know a better person to talk to about the 48 trans. however in light of some recent conversations with you involved. i'm starting to rethink my original assessment of you. John is a very well educated person, an Engineer like myself i'd guess.
so maybe step back and research ones words before the rude comments.

 

[seafish]

Hmm, let me run a search for TIE ROD in your original post. Oh darn! I guess you FORGOT you did not bother to clarify what you were talking about! Maybe you want people to read your mind because you are too lazy to even type the words? Then, you get all butt hurt and insulting because someone DARED ask a simple about what YOU failed to clarify. Oh, you ARE a piece of work there spanky. Reading and comprehension are NOT your strong suit, better work on that before calling others out on your failures.

Cerb, I gotta say that maybe you've been hanging out on cumminsforum too much lately...LOL!!! Remember, here at TDR we use manners and mostly don;t resort to name calling and/or personal insults ... at least now that HB is gone...LOL!!! Just my .02 and in general I do very much appreciate your insights and comments on BOTH forums.

 

[cerberusiam]

Cerb, I gotta say that maybe you've been hanging out on cumminsforum too much lately...LOL!!! Remember, here at TDR we use manners and mostly don;t resort to name calling and/or personal insults ... at least now that HB is gone...LOL!!! Just my .02 and in general I do very much appreciate your insights and comments on BOTH forums.

Oh probably, and possibly reaching the end of my tolerance for insults and baseless attacks. Sorry, my human side is coming out. LOL!

It was a simple question, nothing more unless somebody was on a mission to be offended, way too much reading between the lines instead of just taking it at face value. Politeness and manners has to go BOTH ways, it is pretty evident from the sequence that it is a one way street in this case.

 

[brods]

Federal Mogul bought Raybestos in 2014. It appears Federal Mogul (the owner of Moog) is shutting down the Raybestos chassis line of products and only keeping the brake products. So it looks like Raybestos as a source for steering linkages is gone. I believe Raybestos made some of the rod ends for AC Delco. Whether or not Federal Mogul will continue to supply AC Delco with Raybestos quality ends or switch to Moog is unknown.

TRW makes some rod ends such as the JTE1518, JTE1266, JTE1273 and JTE1271. It appears they also have numbers like M3050370797TRW. I get the feeling that TRW is going through changes as well.

It is frustrating that it is so difficult to tell who actually manufacturers the products you get and if there is any real quality difference between the manufacturer’s brand and all the reboxed versions. So how many actual manufacturers of steering linkages for our trucks are there anymore?

Moog Y type ends have been on my truck for 20K miles and so far so good. Their ball joints sucked. The paved roads around here are terrible and we have plenty of dirt roads, which between gradings can become wash board and worse. Its always exciting to have the back end step out while cruising the dirt roads. Because of the bad roads all of our vehicles eat sway bar links like candy. We’ll see how long the Moogs rod ends last under these conditions, though I don't expect them to last like the OEM stuff did.

 

[cerberusiam]

The tie rod ends on the y-type were never an issue. The pitman arm end wore out before anything else. Sans the pitman are end, the system as a whole went 180k for me. I wasn't bad enough to cause any DW or wander but they were getting loose enough and old enough a change was needed.

The tie rod ends on the t-type are beefy enough they are not an issue. I have well over 90k on the originals and they are tight yet. Worst problems with the ends was failure to install them correctly and they would bind an break. There is only 1 degree of movement in the passenger side end so both sides needed to be as close to perpendicular as possible or they would bind.

Drag link ends are a continuing issue on the t-type. Even the OE did not last anywhere near as long as the y-type pieces, just too much stress on too small components. That whole design was scrapped because of the problems with wear and install anyway.

On lifted or leveled trucks the bump steer is pretty bad due to the track bar and drag link not running in the same geometry as the suspension cycles. An even worse issue with the addition of lift\level\springs is the axle now moves side to side as the suspension cycles and you get a sway on the front end on rough roads. Best results so far has been the cross over steering with the exception of the sway. That requires re-engineering the track bar mounting to fix.

The perfect solution? Buy a new truck with all the re-engineering done, custom build it, or live with what it is.

 

[AH64ID]

I guess I'll look into Y replacement parts for now.

I don't have any issues but I can feel the wander a bit more than I used to.

 

[EDankievitch]

One thing that I forgot to add is that you want to install the 08 and newer Pitment arm with the 08 steering kit. The newer arm will cut down on the bump steer and prevent the drag link from hitting the differential housing cover.