Still building too much heat

[Powder Extreme]

Well, I'm still building way too much heat. At 55mph, level ground, pre turbo EGT at 400, full throttle and about 7 seconds later I'm at 90mph and 1300 degrees. Does that sound like it's building heat quicker than normal? The turbo is 30-34 psi (Banks and Isspro gauges read different) My airbox is breathing from the cowl (pyscotty style) outside temp was around 35 degrees.
Somebody said the Banks turbine housing is a 14cm, the stock HX35 is a 12cm. Would going with a 16cm cool things down a bit, how about lag? Also I'd like to run closer to 40psi, I think that would help some. If I had the money, I'd change to the HX40 turbo, but not an option right now.

Does the ETH just build way more heat than the older style? Am I just "stuck with part throttle" till I have the big bucks for an HX40 or maybe twins?

Thanks
Jerry

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2001 Quad Cab Dually, ETH, SLT Plus, Isspro Pyro & 50lb Boost, 275 injectors, Banks Power Pack FINALLY .

 

[Jonz]

I have the Banks Powerpack as well and have seen the same thing. I have the 9cm turbo which is even worse. I don't ever come close to 1300 unless I really plant my foot in it or I am trying to pass up a steep grade while towing my trailer. I added DD1's and that actually seemed to help. I get more power sooner with more boost faster. More boost the cooler the EGT's as I understand it. Running 65mph at 8psi boost EGT's at 800 level ground. Other than that I figured I had to live with it because of the turbo. You mentioned that you are getting differant readings for your EGT's. Do you have 2 guages? What are the differances? I have always wondered at Banks accuracy.

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2001, 2500 Black 4x4, Bank PowerPack w/DD1's, DTT T/Q and VB, K&N. Max Boost about 38lbs Pulling a 9000 Weekend Warrior full of dirt toys for the whole family.

1974 Powerwagon, fuel injected 360, custom suspension for that killer off-road ride... .

 

[Powder Extreme]

I can nail 1300 empty on flat ground in 5th or 6th with just a few seconds of full throttle. I would have thought the DD's would give it even more fuel, and cause more heat.
My Isspro 50lb boost gauge always reads between 2 and 3 lbs more than my Banks gauge, all the way across from 0 to 34. What do you get for maximum boost at full throttle?

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2001 Quad Cab Dually, ETH, SLT Plus, Isspro Pyro & 50lb Boost, 275 injectors, Banks Power Pack FINALLY .

 

[Powder Extreme]

Does anybody know if the Banks Ottomind is strictly a fueling box, or does it change timing as well? If it is strictly fueling, would adding an EZ for timing help the temp. situation?

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2001 Quad Cab Dually, ETH, SLT Plus, Isspro Pyro & 50lb Boost, 275 injectors, Banks Power Pack, custom "Scotty style" airbox, 4" open exhaust in front of duals.

'94 SLT 4x4 V-10, straight pipes and a K&N (can't find anything else

 

[Jonz]

I see about 36lbs max boost. I would have thought the injectors would have added EGT's as well but I think the extra fuel helps the boost come up quicker. I was told that for every pound of boost you lower your EGT's 25 degrees. I have not towed with it yet but I expect to see my max EGT's faster. But at the same time I should be able to tow with more power at the ready so I wound have to bury my foot in it just to pass someone. This weekend will tell.

I would have expected you to have better EGT's due to the larger turbo.

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2001, 2500 Black 4x4, Bank PowerPack w/DD1's, DTT T/Q and VB, K&N. Max Boost about 38lbs Pulling a 9000 Weekend Warrior full of dirt toys for the whole family.

1974 Powerwagon, fuel injected 360, custom suspension for that killer off-road ride... .

 

[rubberneck]

jonz & powder extreme, you guys are both running the set up i was considering. Was thinking of going with the powerpack, and possibly adding injectors. Would you do it this way again? seems like most of the guys on this site take anothe direction other than the Banks stuff. They helped me a lot on my 92 cummins, just curious what you felt about their stuff for the 24v. thanks Phil "tired of waiting for my truck"

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2001 ETH DEE 4X4 QC LB On order, supposedly built 2-23-01, we'll see when she gets here

[This message has been edited by rubberneck (edited 03-15-2001). ]

 

[Powder Extreme]

I'm impressed with the power the Banks system has. I'm not impressed with the heat it creates. The power is alot, but unusable when you can only run full throttle for 7 seconds before the computer cuts fuel back. The power on my truck was enough to slip the stock clutch towing only 1,700 lbs. I'm putting a kevlar/ceramic in tomorrow. This tuesday I'm getting the truck dyno'ed as is, with a PE EZ added and with the EZ instead of the Banks Ottomind. I'll post the numbers and temp results when I get home in a couple of weeks.
I'm told I'm not the only one with the heat problem, now I'm just trying to find out how much more money it's going to cost to fix it.

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2001 Quad Cab Dually, ETH, SLT Plus, Isspro Pyro & 50lb Boost, 275 injectors, Banks Power Pack, custom "Scotty style" airbox, amsoil dual bypass, 4" open exhaust in front of duals.

'94 SLT 4x4 V-10, straight pipes and a K&N (can't find anything else

 

[Chad Sheets]

Check valve lash/timing. If the exhaust lash is too close, then you will get a little warm quick. You could even have a little too much valve overlap with the lash. Just a different thought????

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[Jonz]

I love my system. I have tons of power. I only run into the heat issue when I get a little power hungry and need to pass someone up a grade with the trailer attached. I can maintain just about any spped I want. The DD1's were a definite must. They added all the bottom end I was lacking plus added about 1mpg. I get 17mpg with my average driving which consists of 50/50 freeway and surface street. When towing a 26' Weekend Warrior weighing out at about 8500lbs I get 14mpg. That 14 is while towing over some large grades as well.

Troy

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2001, 2500 Black 4x4, Bank PowerPack w/DD1's, DTT T/Q and VB, K&N. Max Boost about 38lbs Pulling a 9000 Weekend Warrior full of dirt toys for the whole family.

1974 Powerwagon, fuel injected 360, custom suspension for that killer off-road ride... .

 

[Scooby]

FYI:

With 275's and a Power Edge box I can easily hit 1400+ by planting my foot (as verified by the recall button on the SPA guages). (This is unloaded on flat ground 70 degree ambient temp. )

I just ordered the Power Pack and can't wait to install it!


POWER EDGE BOX FOR SALE!!


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'01 2500 SLT+, QC, LWB, 4X4, 3. 54s, AT, SPA guages, Alpha Liner,DTT VB, SnugTop XV shell with BedRug, Grovers, Roadmasters... every option but running lights!

'98 DUCATI ST2 "Bombed" 944CC with Ducati Performance Carbon Fiber Exhaust, F. I. M. Chip, K&N and "modified" air box.

[This message has been edited by Scooby (edited 03-22-2001). ]

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Scooby:
With 275's and a Power Edge box I can easily hit 1400+ by planting my foot (as verified by the recall button on the SPA guages). (This is unloaded on flat ground 70 degree ambient temp. )

Just wondering, I see you don't mention any exhaust upgrades in your signature? You also have the smaller turbo housing out there since you have 01 Auto, so naturally those temps will be normal for you. Did you modify the wastegate at all for addtional boost for lower EGT's?

You'll have almost the same temps with the PowerPack system I bet... ... ... . just something to think about.

 

[CCahill]

Scooby,
Had to post you here since you don't have an e-mail addy... ... Interested in the PE... can you contact me ?

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[CUMINNTSTRKN]

powder

when i talked to peirs from bd about the turbo boost problem he said not to exceed 34-35psi with the stock hx35 becuase beyond those #'s the turbo is not effecient. it starts to build heat, thus increasing your egt's. with my truck i can hit 1400 pre on flat ground but i'm doing over 100mph before it will reach that.

jim

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2001 eth, ez box, dd2's
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[Scooby]

Originally posted by KatDiesel (Eric Howard):

Just wondering, I see you don't mention any exhaust upgrades in your signature? You also have the smaller turbo housing out there since you have 01 Auto, so naturally those temps will be normal for you. Did you modify the wastegate at all for addtional boost for lower EGT's?

You'll have almost the same temps with the PowerPack system I bet... ... ... . just something to think about.

You are correct about the current set up - no exhaust or wastegate mods. I think you may be incorrect about the powerpack system, however, since it comes with a mandrell bent SS exhaust system, larger turbo housing and "big head" wastegate actuator which will increase the boost to 36 lbs. An airfilter (made by K&N) is also in the picture. All of these things should help increase airflow and boost dramatically to reduce EGTs to a reasonable level. If it does get too hot, the Automind will cut back fueling to save your butt! #ad


(FYI, the powerpack system also comes with that hi-flow intake thing [dang, I forgot the word for it!] and guages. In my case I deleted the guages from the package since I have SPAs)

CCahill, I emailed you regarding the PE...

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'01 2500 SLT+, QC, LWB, 4X4, 3. 54s, AT, SPA guages, Alpha Liner,DTT VB, SnugTop XV shell with BedRug, Grovers, Roadmasters... every option but running lights!

'98 DUCATI ST2 "Bombed" 944CC with Ducati Performance Carbon Fiber Exhaust, F. I. M. Chip, K&N and "modified" air box.

[This message has been edited by Scooby (edited 03-22-2001). ]

 

[Powder Extreme]

Cumminntstrokin, no matter what I do with this turbo I can't build more than 34 anyway. I'm going to Edge Products tuesday and we are going to try an EZ with the system as well. Hopefully it'll make enough difference.

Scooby, what we are saying is you WILL build heat very quickly with the ETH, all the power in the world doesn't do a whole lot of good when you can only use it for a few seconds.

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2001 Quad Cab Dually, ETH, SLT Plus, Isspro Pyro & 50lb Boost, 275 injectors, Banks Power Pack, custom "Scotty style" airbox, amsoil dual bypass, 4" open exhaust in front of duals.

'94 SLT 4x4 V-10, straight pipes and a K&N (can't find anything else

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Scooby:
You are correct about the current set up - no exhaust or wastegate mods. I think you may be incorrect about the powerpack system, however, since it comes with a mandrell bent SS exhaust system, larger turbo housing and "big head" wastegate actuator which will increase the boost to 36 lbs. An airfilter (made by K&N) is also in the picture. All of these things should help increase airflow and boost dramatically to reduce EGTs to a reasonable level. If it does get too hot, the Automind will cut back fueling to save your butt!

Yes I realize you'll get the 4" exhaust, which will help some... . but you might want to check on the whole turbo housing thing. On the HY35 you can not change the housing. Make sure you know what your getting... ... if they give you a whole new turbo then thats a different story. I have 4" system but stock turbo housing, running 32lbs boost level 3 of PE I can still get 1400 degrees... ... .

Just make sure you know exactly what your getting is all I am trying to say.

 

[Scooby]

Kat and Powder,

You are making an excellent point - thanks for raising the issue - I'll double check on the turbo housing and find out what the heck is in the package!

(PowderExtreme - BTW: I have an ETC)

[This message has been edited by Scooby (edited 03-23-2001). ]

 

[KatDiesel]

Scooby -

Why not modify your wastegate now using a spring to get higher boost to lower your temps. 10 lbs of boost = about 250° reduction in EGT usually (figure bout 25° for every 1 lb of boost).

Spring is under $5 and can be removed easily. I believe Stakeman posted the spring he used and how to use it somewhere, I'll try to find that post.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

powder
if you make it to helena you can try my ez anytime. i will be in bozeman this thursday if your around.

jim

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2001 eth, ez box, dd2's
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[Powder Extreme]

CUMMINNTSTROKIN: Thanks, I'm trying one in Ogden this tuesday, and I'll have my 5th wheel with me as well, so I'll be able to give a good test. #ad


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2001 Quad Cab Dually, ETH, SLT Plus, Isspro Pyro & 50lb Boost, 275 injectors, Banks Power Pack, custom "Scotty style" airbox, amsoil dual bypass, 4" open exhaust in front of duals.

'94 SLT 4x4 V-10, straight pipes and a K&N (can't find anything else