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Well it looks like the mental giants that we managed to elect here in Texas and specifically in the Houston area have once again managed to confuse "The right thing to do" with "Nobody has any idea what to do, but we gotta do something".



My point: This morning while driving to work (a 60 mile one-way trip) I hear on the radio that as part of the "Clean air campaign for the new millennium" or some such crap, that "New lower emission diesel", "Specially refined gasoline", "Bans on lawn maintenance during certain hours" and a return to the 55mph speed limit are all things to look forward to come May of 2002.



Hmmm... . Let's see here there will be new diesel formulas, fine. It will either work with my truck or Dodge will have to fix the truck since it's brand new, good for me. But what about all the people that don't have new trucks and MAY have engine troubles due to the changes that are going to be coming along with the new fuel? Are they just out of luck? It looks that way. Maybe the owners just have to absorb it, call it the price of driving... And what about the price, will it be another . 10, . 20, or more per gallon?



Reformulated gasoline... Sounds to me like more money and fewer miles per gallon. Great, just what we need.



Bans on lawn maintenance during certain hours. The last time that this was talked about here in the Houston area it was presented that the bans would be from something like 7:00am to 12:00am weekdays, but that it would not affect commercial lawn maintenance providers. Hello morons! Who other than commercial lawn maintenance providers would be out mowing the grass on weekday mornings? Not the homeowners, we're all stuck in the traffic that you seem to be unable to grasp as the actual problem that needs attention.



And my personal favorite, good 'ole 55mph. First off this is my rant so I'll get it off my chest right now. 55mph blows pond water. The only use for 55mph is to get past it as fast as possible and on to a more reasonable rate of travel. Now that we've cleared that up back to the (semi) logic. When is the greatest concentration of pollution recorded each and every day? Right after morning and afternoon "rush" hour according to the cute little graphics that the news shows from time to time. How many of the drivers in Houston are even going 55mph at these times? I'll tell you, the answer is NONE, NOBODY can go 55mph due to all the freakin' traffic. Heck most days I'd be quite happy to see 25mph, but that doesn't happen much either. So lowering the speed limit to 55 is going to have no affect on traffic during rush hour when it appears that most of the pollution is produced. It will also have very minimal affect on where most of the pollution is produced, which coincidentally is where most of the cars are, inside the beltway. But the amazing grasp of all things obvious does not stop here, if it did I wouldn't really care what they did with the speed limit inside the beltway, the article I heard this morning claimed that the new lower speed limit would extend to "Neighboring counties". You see the problem that I have is that after I get out past the beltway I still have about 30 miles to go and having been at work all day and then spent another hour just sitting in traffic until I finally get to see some open road, I do not want to be pi$$ing along at a ridiculously slow 55mph when it is going to be of no benefit anyway.



I keep hearing about how the state is in an on-going project to widen all the major freeways in and around Houston. I drive I-10 everyday and I don't think it needs to be widened. It needs to be left just like it is. The money and space that would be used to widen it need to be used to improve out pitiful mass transit system. If people want to see an improvement in air quality then they need to do things that will promote people to take fewer cars, not make it easier for people to get more cars in the same area.



The Houston METRO had a great plan with the HOV (High Occupancy Vehicle) lanes that would limit them to vehicles that had a minimum of 2 people at all times and 3 people during the worst of rush hour. These lanes are limited access, I believe the one on I-10 has only two entrances and two exits in over 15 miles of road, and the occupancy of any vehicle can be monitored and the driver ticketed if needed for enforcement. Well this rewards people that behave in a manner that furthers the goal of pollution reduction by leaving one or more car at home, so we need to do something to mess it up. According to the Houston Chronicle in an article that they ran about 7 months ago the new HOV lane will be like a toll road. If you have the right number of people then would not get charged, but if you have only one person in the car you can still use the HOV lane, but it will cost you $1. 00 or whatever. This is just stupid. It does not provide the only thing that people will understand and can make people modify their behavior. There is no negative reinforcement. Sure it costs a dollar or two, but that is not enough money to bother most people to the point that they won't drive their own car instead of use mass transit.



The real solution to all this "air quality" nonsense is to get people out of cars. Houston should have a mass transit system in place that allows people to get where they need to be, in a reasonably similar time to driving themselves and at a reasonable cost to the individual. It does not need to matter if it is bus or train or teleporter or whatever, people should be discouraged from driving their cars into the center of town and encouraged to use an efficient and clean mass transit alternative. Wait a minute, maybe somebody should start thinking about building an efficient and clean mass transit alternative instead of widening freeways and lowering speed limits.



----End of Rant----



If anyone actually read this whole thing, thanks for looking at it.



Feeling better now,

Mike
 
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Originally posted by mikel



The money and space that would be used to widen it need to be used to improve out pitiful mass transit system. If people want to see an improvement in air quality then they need to do things that will promote people to take fewer cars, not make it easier for people to get more cars in the same area.



This is just stupid. It does not provide the only thing that people will understand and can make people modify their behavior. There is no negative reinforcement. Sure it costs a dollar or two, but that is not enough money to bother most people to the point that they won't drive their own car instead of use mass transit.



The real solution to all this "air quality" nonsense is to get people out of cars. Houston should have a mass transit system in place that allows people to get where they need to be, in a reasonably similar time to driving themselves and at a reasonable cost to the individual. It does not need to matter if it is bus or train or teleporter or whatever, people should be discouraged from driving their cars into the center of town and encouraged to use an efficient and clean mass transit alternative.



Mike,



No offense intended, but would you be willing to give up your vehicle and utilize a mass transit system if one existed that met your travel requirements? Quite honestly, that's not something that's very attractive to me. That's the problem with the mass transit concept here in Harris County - I'd wager that most commuters would say, "All you other people should be riding buses or light rail so that I'll have more room to drive my Suburban to work!"



Mike, I'm not flaming you at all, nor am I looking forward to this screwed-up hodgepodge of regulations that are being crammed down our throats. I'm just not sure that mass transit is the "silver bullet" that would cure everything - I fear that, due to the "rugged individualist" Texas mindset, it would just be an ongoing drain on our tax dollars so that we could have empty buses and trains running around the Houston metro area while we're sitting in our traffic jams as usual.



JM2CW :rolleyes:



Rusty (a native Texan - born in Galveston)
 
Rusty,



I was not trying to imply that people should give up their vehicles, just that maybe they should not drive them into, or when feasible, around town.



And I do give up my vehicle right now. My wife and I carpool into town every day. We get to take advantage of the HOV lane and after getting over the idea of not having a car right there at the office all the time; it's wonderful to be able to get out of town when the day is over.



I am forced to deal with the main freeway lanes whenever our schedules conflict and carpooling is not possible. I don't take anything personal about your post, it is much easier to try and push things like this off on other people since not having a car sitting at the office all day does tend to imply a certain lack of freedom to move about. Realistically though I very rarely leave the office once I'm there in the morning and have no justifiable need for a car while I am at work.



Right now I don't believe that Houston has a mass transit system in place that could handle the volume of people that would need to be moved if we were really going to see a reduction in air pollution, which is supposed to be the point of these new regulations, so I guess it's all a moot point.



The "rugged individualist" mindset is alive and well here in Houston, but given the right motivation people will change. If reductions in air pollution are really important then things should be done to promote them. Cleaner reformulated fuel sounds good on the surface, but then widening the freeway to let more cars move about in the same area doesn't make any sense to me.



Don't get me wrong I love driving as much as anyone, which is part of the reason that screwing with the speed limit annoys me, but if things have to change as the enviros claim then we should do something that will actually precipitate a change.





You said you're another BOI, huh?



I grew up near the K-mart (Ughh), how about you?



Later,

Mike
 
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Mike,



BOI, but never lived there - does that mean that I'm not an "island rat"? :rolleyes: Dad was working for Humble Pipe Line (now ExxonMobil) at Webster. Mother taught school at League City. Her doctor just happened to practice at the old St. Mary's Infirmary in Galveston, so that's where I first saw light of day.



Actually, I'm oil field trash. By the time I came back to Houston to go to college, I had lived at Webster, Pampa, Truscott, Cisco, Truscott and Odessa. I grew up thinking that everyone lived with their closets full of Mayflower boxes. :D



Rusty
 
I read about the 55mph crap in the paper this morning. Unbelievable!



It boggles my mind how some laws get passed and what type of people are pushing these 'improvements. '



My major problems with road contruction and planning are that the state seems to believe wider is better. They push the roads to as many lanes as possible and then neck them back down a few miles down the road. This causes much more trouble than just leaving a few straight lanes.



Somebody will always try to pass the world in the 'new' lane and then squirt in front of some other driver at the last possible minute scaring them into unneccessary braking.



The average Houstonian is terrible at merging and exiting freeways and shows ZERO kindness to fellow commuters. I hate to complain when I don't have a better solution to offer.



The problems feed upon themselves through sheer anger of the vast array of current problems.



Maybe more strict driver education and licensing requirements would help. Better law enforcement would help. Lawmakers cannot learn what is actually helping or hurting the problem if the laws are not enforced.



I read a few years ago that a law was passed in the Houston area or maybe even the entire state of Texas that it is illegal to drive in the 'fast lane' if you are not passing someone. As strange as this law may seem, I believe it would really help if it were to be enforced.



If someone is in your rear view mirror, PULL OVER. I don't care if you are going the speed limit or if you will have to merge left again in a few seconds. The traffic congestion and anger growing behind you will never outweigh the . 2 seconds you save by staying in the left lane.



None of these problems are going to be helped with a lower speed limit.



I'm done complaining too.

-Chris
 
MikeL

I know that all metropolitan areas have the same problems as your describing.

With that said. You touched on a very good point about the 55 mph speed limit. If the environmentalists a really that concerned, as you've stated vehicles can't even get up to that speed in rush hour, why don't they try lobying to have modified work hours? This is just an idea.

But, I pleaded with my company to change my starting hour from 8:30 am to 7:30 am. This achieved two things: 1) get my crazy A$$ away from moron drivers )reading the newspaper, putting on makeup, etc. ) by having me commute during non-rush hour traffic.

2) number one solvers number 2, less road rage from a madman (oops, sorry Batman) in a blue duallie riding on peoples A$$es because they are going 40 in a 65.

How does this idea sit with you?

George
 
George,



I'll beat Mike to the punch. Houston area businesses have had staggered work hours for years. For example, our office "officially" starts work at 7:30 AM and ends at 4:30 PM. I'm generally in by 7:00 AM to beat the "crazies", and getting out at 4:30 PM does help - the Northwest Freeway outside the beltway is still workable before 5:00 PM! :rolleyes:



Rusty
 
Oops, my bad!:( Sorry, I didn't know that. I'm up hear in New England (I work just south of Boston) and it's hell at rush hour.

Been through the northern part of your state a couple of years back, I was real impressed with the comradary (sp?) of fellow cummins owners. I had drivers on the opposite side of the highway waving. BTW, I drove out to AZ with a gasser Dodge and rove back in my new truck, what a fun trip.

Thanks for clarifying,

George
 
You guys are making me think twice about my decision to move back to Houston. :eek:



I've decided that IF I am transferred with my current employer then I will probably drive my own vehicle to work since I will be living in the Southeast part of town and working on the west side. Just jump on the Beltway and there I am. Now, If I change companies, the two companies that I might be working for are located in downtown. I will ride the bus. I don't see any reason to stress myself out anymore than I have to. A ride to work beats the hell out of fighting traffic in my own vehicle. Since my job requires that I stay at the console for 12 hours, I don't need a vehicle while I'm at work. Besides, I heard wat parking garages are going for in Downtown. Besides, I tried to shoehorn my dually in the parking garage at the Medical Center. Not fun.



See ya'll on the road someday.
 
Gitch,



C'mon back over - it'll be OK! ;) :D If I worked downtown, I'd probably take the bus in from the West Road/Northwest Freeway Park and Ride myself. :rolleyes:



Are you still planning on being at the Houston meeting on October 28th? If so, we'll see ya there! :)



Rusty
 
Montgomery Co. has it's own solution..

While out n' about today, the closest Park N Ride

to me had plywood boards covering the windows!

It's been closed... and it is a fairly new facility

and used to have a lot of cars in the parking lot

during the weekday work hours.



:rolleyes: Go figure. .



-Chris
 
Since You are tatlking about traffic in Texas

I don't remember what county I was in but I hauled 2 horses out to FortWorth and I drove through this county stopped and ate and got fuel and was talking to an older man at the counter and he explained how it was customary in that part that if you were going slower than the following traffic that you were to pull over on the two lane road and let the person behind you go by. As I continued on I noticed poeple doing this very nice and I even started to do it myself. You all are some of the most freindly poeple I have ever met out there in the big state. Poeple would wave and talk to you as if they knew you for years. Great state might even want to live there some day. Just thought I would pay you all a complament.



Big D
 
Texas air.... stinks

Last two times I drove through Texas cities, the air stunk like a 1970s freeway (ie, like overly rich exhaust). You just about choke in traffic. With the lax emissions there, its about time Texas catches up with other parts of the country.



Yeah, Bob Wills is Still the King, but the air is still awful too. Just my two cents.....
 
Hey,



Been busy at work and haven't had time to get back to this until now.



Batman said "why don't they try lobying to have modified work hours?"



I am able to take advantage of this too. I generally work 6:30 to 4:00 and do miss some of the worst of the traffic.



gitchesum said "You guys are making me think twice about my decision to move back to Houston. "



Don't let this keep you away. It's irritating, but things could be worse (at least that's what I keep telling myself) :) Hey, at least it's not kommiefornia, yet...







admin said "Last two times I drove through Texas cities, the air stunk like a 1970s freeway (ie, like overly rich exhaust). You just about choke in traffic. With the lax emissions there, its about time Texas catches up with other parts of the country. "



I never intended to imply that we don't have a problem here. I look out the window of my office and see brown air most days. I fully accept that we have a bad air pollution problem here, my problem is that the original ideas and changes that I posted about won't effectively address the actual problem and will mostly serve to annoy people that are forced to drive around during the non-rush hours.



I did learn last night that the proposed ban on lawn maintenance would apply to commercial providers. Pretty effectively cutting their day in half and forcing them to work during the hottest part of the day.





Later ya'll

Mike
 
missing the point

Before I point out the obvious...

Admin, you say the air stinks in Tx? Um, here's a public notice, the whole state isn't Houston, Austin or Dallas :rolleyes: Try getting out of the cities and see the WHOLE REST OF THE STATE and take a whiff. The vast majority of the state is rural and we don't want/need any state wide laws forcing us to live by the same rules as the metro areas. On second thought, never mind we have enough "imports" coming here and screwing with our deal because they're so much smarter than us. Stay home :p

On to the topic at hand, guys guys guys, you are completly missing the forest because of the trees. Your suggestions are all real fine if you wanted to solve the problem of polution. What you fail to see is this simple fact. Government at all levels, Federal, State and local have one key mission. That mission is to raise money to keep them operating so they can continue to ever expand their reach into our lives with more programs and more beurocracy etc. Case in point, 55 mph is rediculous as far as a polution solution. True, but what about fines for breaking the speed limit when you get out into those areas beyond the beltway? That will raise revenue for them. Same thing with the toll road HOV lane. Just having an HOV lane doesn't do anything for THEM, but having it where you have to pay a DOLLAR raises renenue. The lawn maintainance hours? How much you want to bet the landscape guys will have to buy a special permit to operate? Special permit=more money for the machine. When you look at it in this context, all of their proposals make perfect sense. The only reason they seem screwed up to you is you were assuming they were telling the truth about their motivations :rolleyes:



Dan

"Always glad to shed a little light"
 
" Cleaner reformulated fuel sounds good on the surface, but then widening the freeway to let more cars move about in the same area doesn't make any sense to me. "



Do not buy into the "reformulated gasoline, a cleaner burning gasoline lie. The fact is, and yes, the EPA has been forced to admit this in court, RFG is actually filthier burning than real gas. Not to mention the pollution all over the counry caused by MTBE, the oxygenate compound in RFG. Water wells and aquifers all over the country have become too polluted by MTBE to safely drink. This is even after the EPA raised the premissable threshold limits several times. Santa Monica CA and a whole host of other cities are having to buy water from elsewhere because their aquifers are contaminated. One third of Dallas water supply was shut down last summer when a pipeline ruptured, spilling RFG into the lake.



Or their is always ethanol, a super smog producer. Wonder why that windshield washer fluid seems like merely blue water now? They took most of the alcohol out because it produces VOC's. And now they talk about putting alcohol in large quantities in gasoline. Brilliant!



As for reformulated diesel, I can hardly wait, last time they dicked with it, I lost the injector pump (with approximately 15k miles) about 1 1/2 months later. Far as I am concerned, that was a $500 TAX along with the several days in lost wages.
 
I know that this will start a big argument, but, one of my peeves is the drive thru. I have never liked them sitting there sniffing somebodies tail pipe and trying to understand what is being said. Besides you are treated like second class customers when you walk in. How many times have you seen your order go to a car that pulled in after you ordered? Stop all of the idling engines in the line. .
 
a cost free solution to gridlock..Really!

If they actually cared, why not mandate all state and federal employees who don't deal with customers (internal/external) work non-standard shifts... or just make it optional. I work on servers, databases, and do programming all day. Nobody interacts with me except the others who do the same thing. If we, and all others who had jobs like ours (not just computer, but jobs which need to be done, but really don't matter what time of day they are done) worked like 6-2 or something, it would make a dent on traffic. But no, I have to work 8-5, because that is the normal hours. I think there are a lot of industries which could do this, and if it was organized would make a great impact on traffic.
 
Well, it's crazy early here and I may not be totally coherent but here goes.



My thoughts on most of the jobs that I personally witness in the office are that they could be done by anyone with a computer... . From anywhere. There is no reason that many of the people I work with have any need to actually come to the office to do the things that they do.



I'm the network admin for my office and I could be just as productive from home 3 or 4 days a week and maybe more so since nobody would be stopping by my office to ask me how to attach a picture of their neice to an email.



I see secretaries that answer the phone and create electronic documents all day. No reason they can't do that from home.



While this will work for some I know that everyone does not have a job that will allow this, but if we can get more people that do have jobs that would allow working from home to do it I think we'd cut down on alot of the traffic, pollution, road rage, etc. .



Oh well like I said it's early and I need my morning caffine. :)



Later,

Mike
 
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