Stupid Stupid Stupid

[DavidC]

The transfer pump was acting up about the same time as the truck issue. Pump was working but very slow on the transfer so when we arrived in Minot I decided to investigate. I tried the pump and no flow of any kind. I checked the pump strainer, clean, opened the rotors and checked good then checked the high pressure bypass. Everything was good and due to my lousy health issues just bought a replacement pump as my 17th century model 100 did not come up on any searches. I had changed the filter on the pump while in Az. when I first noticed the slow volume. So the new pump shows up but I need parts from the old and start the disassembly process. I get to the suction hose that was replaced about 2 years ago with a flexible 1" from fillerneck supply after getting everything else off. While cleaning all the fittings for the new pump I get to the suction hose and to my amazement this is what I find.

I did think of checking that hose but due to the lack of energy I blew it off. Now I wonder if this was defective or what caused this as there appears to be more inner hose than there should be.
The consolation for me kicking my own butt for not checking this is I have a brand new transfer pump with documentation. Even today searching for 1" diesel rated hose is just as impossible as when I searched the last time when I found this hose. There is a Kenworth dealer near me now so if I run into more problems with this hose I will investigate what they may have or be able to get.

 

[NIsaacs]

Dang, that sucks! I think Tractor Supply carries diesel hose. I think it might have a spring in it for grounding, to avoid static electricity.

 

[DavidC]

Dang, that sucks! I think Tractor Supply carries diesel hose. I think it might have a spring in it for grounding, to avoid static electricity.

I will check with them, pretty sure there is one up here in Minot. Wish I was as tenacious with that pump as I was with the truck issue but like I said I have a brand new shiny pump now.

 

[jhenderson]

Nothing wrong with carrying a spare.

 

[TFucili]

Murphy and his law.

 

[GAmes]

I just plumbed my aux tank to the main tank with a ball valve and a T into the vent tube. The main tank gets low, I just open the valve. No pump needed. I did get my diesel fuel rated hose from Tractor supply.

 

[DavidC]

I need about 6' of 1" hose not braided. Seems almost impossible except the flexible like I have. Seems everything I am finding is 10-12 feet and has ends on it and anywhere from $40.00 and up. It goes from a 1" barb to a pipe I put in the tank, just slips over the pipe and is clamped on both ends, nothing special.

 

[mwilson]

Is there a Parker Hannifin dealer or store near you??

This seems to be Diesel Rated. It’s Push loc so it might be tight on your existing fittings..

https://www.shopcross.com/parker-80...RhtAkGoGoFcUGn5rsRZx78YHOSsCTjixoC_4AQAvD_BwE

 

[DavidC]

Is there a Parker Hannifin dealer or store near you??

This seems to be Diesel Rated. It’s Push loc so it might be tight on your existing fittings..

https://www.shopcross.com/parker-80...RhtAkGoGoFcUGn5rsRZx78YHOSsCTjixoC_4AQAvD_BwE

Looks like one in Williston. I would have to check, maybe 75 miles or so. Thanks Mike.

 

[mwilson]

Sitting in a bar in Illinois gives me some research time for finding 1” hose.......Vodka fuels the thought process...

 

[DavidC]

Finally got the transfer pump finished (kinda). After going through all the hose options (about 3) I picked up the $50.00 1" x 14' hose with pre-made ends which I did not need and cut off. I used about 4' of that hose.Other places wanted wanted more for 6' than Tractor Supply wanted for 14'. The supposed flex hose I had pretty much turned to putty. It is suppose to be diesel rated and may be so I do not know what reaction caused this whether it is the ethanol mix, the Power Service or both or just a crap hose. Upon a little research I have had a copper pipe to stick in the tank on the suction side and find out that copper and diesel do not play well together so I guess I will have to pick up a 3' piece of PVC or black pipe. Both of those are the recommended replacement for what I use it for. Haven't used the pump yet as I will probably wait until I change that suction pipe first. Live and learn I guess.

 

[mwilson]

So this just came to mind, missed it the last time around.

Is this rubber hose for your pump suction out of the transfer tank??? If so why don't you have the telescoping suction tube like the Tuthills use??

Maybe you need to retrofit....

 

[mwilson]

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[DavidC]

So this just came to mind, missed it the last time around.

Is this rubber hose for your pump suction out of the transfer tank??? If so why don't you have the telescoping suction tube like the Tuthills use??

Maybe you need to retrofit....

It gives the plastic telescopic suction tube but that only works if the pump sits on the top of the tank. I have a combo tank/tool box so the tank fill is at a 45 degree angle partially under the top hinged lid with a regular fill cap so the suction tube is useless for this tank. Before this I had a L tank and the pump sat on top of the tank, then we bought the 5ver and the L tank had to go for clearance issues. You can see the copper wand which I use to suck the fuel out.

 

[JR]

I forget the brand but I budget shopped a filler hose for my bulk fuel tank here at the house and paid the price. Seemed ok the first several months. The first winter it got so brittle in zero degree weather it literally snapped in half when I tried to straighten it out I'm just glad I didn't turn the pump on before hand....

Lesson learned, I replaced with an Irpco hose. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for.....

 

[Tuesdak]

Finally got the transfer pump finished (kinda). After going through all the hose options (about 3) I picked up the $50.00 1" x 14' hose with pre-made ends which I did not need and cut off. I used about 4' of that hose.Other places wanted wanted more for 6' than Tractor Supply wanted for 14'. The supposed flex hose I had pretty much turned to putty. It is suppose to be diesel rated and may be so I do not know what reaction caused this whether it is the ethanol mix, the Power Service or both or just a crap hose. Upon a little research I have had a copper pipe to stick in the tank on the suction side and find out that copper and diesel do not play well together so I guess I will have to pick up a 3' piece of PVC or black pipe. Both of those are the recommended replacement for what I use it for. Haven't used the pump yet as I will probably wait until I change that suction pipe first. Live and learn I guess.

I sympathize.

I do serve as a "bad example" of what biodiesel can do to a fuel system esp. hoses. Leftover, from the biodiesel process, methanol (or ethanol) in the biodiesel does a number on hoses no matter what the % rating is. I forget the top diesel fuel hose rating off the top of my head, but, it lasts the longest. FWIW avoid yellow metals in the fuel system due to biodiesel as they corrode... Some kits and other things haven't caught up to the problems Biodiesel causes. Some lift pumps still say "warranty void on methanol use": aka still not compatible with modern diesel fuel laced with biodiesel.

I don't even run B99 to get through emissions once a year anymore, but, you can't avoid up to 5% that is not even labeled on some pumps. Sure it's diluted, but, if you build the system for zero problems even diluted...

Oddly Power Service has softened some funnels I used to add it to the truck's fuel tank. PS needs to endorse some funnels...

Pressure tests fine up to the fuel filter. Still getting diesel vapor in the return at high RPM indicating a restriction (Higher return flow at higher RPM). Hose flapper just before the IP on a GM V8 .. next step was send pump in for service of last ditch screen or other suspect IP problems. You can change this hose with the intake on, but, I was about to pull the IP before I found this.

Yes, that's a aftermarket kit for a Ford smoke puff limiter fitted on a GM 6.5.

Wait there is more...
Another hose slowly got soft and would randomly kink shut. Of course it's under a big wire harness out of sight. Put a big 130 GPH lift pump on the rig and still gets big vapor lock bubbles in the fuel return line. Diesel will vapor lock if the pumps good enough and the restriction is bad enough. The hose was finally soft enough to stay kinked and no fuel till I checked every inch of the fuel system.

 

[dieselshadow]

I personally wouldn’t give you a warm squirt of piss for any Power Service products. Alcohol has zero business in any diesel fuel injection system, let alone a modern one.

Just my opinion, not slamming those who make that their go-to product.

 

[BDaugherty]

https://www.fillernecksupply.com/1-...MIs8XL8cPY4wIVBf_jBx3OoQpKEAQYAiABEgJDqvD_BwE
My local hydraulic shop carries a good selection of hose (not just hydraulic).
Here’s a link to the 1” diesel rated hose you were talking about.

 

[DavidC]

https://www.fillernecksupply.com/1-...MIs8XL8cPY4wIVBf_jBx3OoQpKEAQYAiABEgJDqvD_BwE
My local hydraulic shop carries a good selection of hose (not just hydraulic).
Here’s a link to the 1” diesel rated hose you were talking about.

That's the hose I had that turned to putty on the inside. I would not recommend that style to anyone. Well, almost anyone