Supreme Court OKs Gas Tank Border Searches

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Looks like the border crossings can become longer?

1. Wonder what happens if the tank is reinstalled wrong and something occurs, who is responsible?

2. What about vehicle warranties, or is the government acceptable for warranty work? Maybe they can do lift pumps while taking the tank off, and make a few bucks on the side?

Or if you have a tank of bad fuel, limp across the border and let them take care of it?



"Supreme Court OKs Gas Tank Border Searches



Associated Press/AP Online





WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday that government agents can search and even dismantle a car's gas tank as part of drug and other smuggling interdiction at the nation's borders.



Border officers can randomly search gas tanks, despite the absence of specific indication that a particular car is suspect, the high court said. People crossing the border have less expectation of privacy than elsewhere, and searching the inner reaches of a car is not the same thing as a strip search or other intrusive search of the driver, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist wrote for the court.



"The government's interest in preventing the entry of unwanted persons and effects is at its zenith at the international border," Rehnquist wrote.



A federal appeals court in California had said that officers can visually inspect gas tanks, but not dismantle them unless they have reason to suspect wrongdoing.



Critics, including the White House, had argued that the lower court decision would make it easier to sneak weapons, drugs and even people into America. Lawyers on the other side argued that it's unconstitutionally intrusive and potentially hazardous for vehicles to be taken apart at border stops. "
 
WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!! They are slowly eroding our rights. You dont even have to be read your rights, given reasonable bail, etc, if you happen to tick off the wrong person.



I wouldnt be a bit surprised if they do have some kind of racket for fixing fuel pumps, etc, at shops close to the border patrol points. Another reason for me to stay in this country.



I'd be surprised if the govt was responsible for warranties that get voided. They arent responsible for putting your vehicle back together after doing a tear down search for non- existant drugs- know a few people who've had that happen, been stranded in BFE with a torn apart interior, and no alternative set of wheels.



-DP
 
Critics, including the White House, had argued that the lower court decision would make it easier to sneak weapons, drugs and even people into America.



I want to know how to get people in a gas tank?
 
yet another reason to not visit the USA. i'd like to go down to mass. to visit some family i have down there, but i am scared the us customs agents will rape my truck and tear it all to **** and i'll be stuck with a non working vehicle...
 
Nothing's changed here guys - no rights being eroded. It's always been this way. I know many people who have had parts of their vehicle dismantled at a border crossing all the way back to the 70's.
 
They arent responsible for putting the vehichile back together? How does that work. I mean If I do something to someones posession, I have to pay restitution. Why doesnt our Government have to do the same? Does insurance pay? Or do you just get bent over and done dry??
 
"They do put it back together. "



Do they use certified mechanics, or just the lowest paid flunkies they can find? Just curious as I do not know?



Wonder if something happened later, and their work is in question, does the government hide under the fact that they were doing an official function and therefore cannot be sued, or is that another case all of the way to the Supreme Court.



My border crossings have all been easy, both north and south, (though they did ask why the horse trailer was empty, though there was fresh manure inside), fast, curteous, etc. , but do know people that have had problems, though they had dress (you can guess how), attitude, mouthing off issues, which would have created a problem anyway with any government official.
 
Suspicious vehicles have been disassembled (I mean completely) at the Texas/Mexico border since the early 70's that I can personally remember. I had a Mexican co-worker in 1970 who had a brand new T-bird stripped as he was coming back across the border from Mexico into Texas at Laredo. :(



Nothing new here to get your knickers in a twist about! :rolleyes:



Rusty
 
"... Nothing new here to get your knickers in a twist about! "



Must be to somebody, as case is before the US Supreme court as we speak!!
 
Actually, someone had 200+ lbs of dope hidden away in their fuel tank. The drug dog hit on it, the Customs guys pulled the tank, found the drugs and the guy was convicted. On appeal, his lawyer wanted the conviction thrown out on the basis that an illegal search was performed, and a lower Federal court ruled in favor of the defendent. The U. S. Supreme Court overturned the lower court ruling, which just means everything is back the way it was.



Rusty
 
Did you read the other thread about Supreme Court reviewing car searches, flashy car, cop had suspicions, and the narrow interpretation possibility, if you park your car and leave, can it be searched?



Seems we will be seeing a lot of this type stuff with increased border watching. Which was the intent of the original posting, and remember RhondasWay posting a while back about getting her trucks fuel tank dropped when coming back from truck work in Canada (wonder where!!!!!!)



Had a boat searched and taken apart by US agents coming back from Mexico, Via Acuna, Amistad Dam, been camping and fishing Mexican side for a week, kind of grubby! Asked agent about who was going to put it back together, he said me and not to nicely!!! Talked to his supervisor, and he asked about outboard motor (way old Scott McCullough) as he had one that would not pump water. Had spare water pump impellers with me, gave him some, and said it was a common problem. He told his agent to put everything back together, just like he found it! Asked me to not comment during process!! For a couple of dollars in spare parts which I would have done anyway, problem was solved. Bet that would not happen now, borders were simpler then. a little in mordida, smile ,and proper attitude, solved any issues on the Mexican side, usually the US was no problem except for a few US agents, who would suspicion, were like that even when not on duty.
 
Originally posted by RustyJC

Actually, someone had 200+ lbs of dope hidden away in their fuel tank. The drug dog hit on it, the Customs guys pulled the tank, found the drugs and the guy was convicted. On appeal, his lawyer wanted the conviction thrown out on the basis that an illegal search was performed, and a lower Federal court ruled in favor of the defendent. The U. S. Supreme Court overturned the lower court ruling, which just means everything is back the way it was.



Rusty





Any bets on it being the 9th circuit court of appeals that overturned the conviction...
 
The problem would be reduced if we'd simply string up the drug smugglers and dealers from the nearest tree or telephone pole. What's wrong is that we're too lenient on criminals. Make the punishment so severe that people would think twice about breaking the law. None of this "three strikes" crap, make it "one strike"!

Here's another idea: build U. S. prisons in Mexico, staffed by Mexicans. Cheaper for the U. S. taxpayers, provides good paying jobs for Mexicans. I'd call that a win-win situation. That would eliminate the early releases due to overcrowding.

Andy
 
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