Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Supreme court to look at local gun laws in 2010

[kenny61]

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[AABEN]

Kenny61 Thanks for the video. I hard about this last night on FOX news ch.

 

[AMink]

I like the last quote about "sensible gun laws". For the Brady Bunch, the only sensible gun law is the one that says no law abiding citizen can have a gun. I am glad this is going to the court and will keep my fingers crossed. Thankfully, a Latina with life experience is now seated on the bench. That gives me hope!

 

[JKreiss]

Thankfully, a Latina with life experience is now seated on the bench. That gives me hope!

yeah no kidding, she'll more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life:-laf

 

[kenny61]

Well In know my wife is always right

 

[kenny61]

What I find most interesting / disturbing is the defense that the gun grabbers are attempting to use. Thier defense is that the Washington DC case is only valid in DC because it is a federal area not an actual state and that the constitution only limits federal law not state law. If the gun grabberes were to win this case it could be used as a basis for any state to restrict any of your constitutional rights such as free speech. I know that anyone can pass a law that is more restrictive than the constitution or SCOTUS ruling when the restriction is applied to the gov't. An example of this the fleeing felon rule. While the SCOTUS has ruled you can shoot a fleeing felon under certain circumstances. A State or even police dept can pass a law or rule saying that you can't. The restriction is on the Gov't and extends the person rights further than the Constitution. Everything I have ever been taught says it is not legal to pass a law that restricts these rights on the citizens end. with the above example being used again a state could not pass a law saying that you can shoot a fleeing misdemeanor or violation. That law would be Unconstitutional. Personally this case needs to be watched just not over gun ownership rights but over every constitutional right we have...

 

[SRath]

With LSD's, it all depends on what the definition of "is" is...

 

[Edward]

If the court rules that the second amendment does not apply to the states I wonder if the states can challenge the 16th amendment on the same grounds?





Edward

 

[DWordinger]

The 14th amendment extends the constitutional restrictions on the federal government to the states. Under some reasoning I don't understand, the Supreme Court has ruled various restrictions must be "incorporated" before the 14th amendment applies to them, although the 14th amendment makes no reference to any requirement of this. The 1st, 4th, and others (I don't have a list in front of me now) have been "incorporated" but the 2nd has not.



Sotomayor replaced one of the literacy impaired justices who voted against the Constitution in the Heller case. Her seat on the court shouldn't make things any worse than they were then.

 

[Rattler]

I have a gun issue for you to think over, and believe me i am pro gun. Yesterday at college while sitting outside on break, a girl walked hurriedly by us and went inside. A short distance behind her came a young man also walking at a fast pace, as he walked by us we all saw that he had a snub-nose revolver in a black holster on his belt. Not knowing what was about to happen i went to my instructor and relayed what had happened. After calling 911 and giving a discription, the local police arrived and caught the guy in the school parking lot. Much to our surprise they just stood around and talked to the guy as if nothing had happened, no cuffs, no back seat ride or anything. In todays paper it was reported the man was issued a trespassing warning. I don't understand, i thought it was a federal offinse to take a firearm into a school. Whats your take?( the paper even reported he was carrying the pistol) Randy

 

[SRath]

Private college?

 

[Rattler]

Local Community college. I talked to a Deputy Sheriff about it last night, and he coudn't understand why either. Randy

 

[kenny61]

The federal gun free school crap has two key requirements. 1. the school must accept federal money. 2. The gun possesor must be a student. The punishment is expulsion. .

Each state has their own laws as to guns in schools or zones or what have you. What state did this happen in? If there is another federal law that covers guns in schools for non students I am not aware of it But that is because local law enforcement is not allowed to enforce federal laws. Local law enforcement could detain him/her for a federal agency to arrive but they can not arrest and process. Therfore most do not know or care to know the federal laws.

Senator Dianne Feinstein - Gun Free Schools Act

A Quick google on KY gun law if it was KY

A license to carry concealed firearms does not authorize any person to carry a concealed firearm into:

* Any police station or sheriff 's office.

* Any detention facility, prison, or jail.

* Any courthouse, solely occupied by the Court of Justice courtroom, or court proceeding.

* Any meeting of the governing body of a county, municipality, or special district, or any meeting of the General Assembly unless the permit holder is a member of that body.

* Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on premises which is primarily devoted to that purpose.

* Any elementary or secondary school facility, child caring facility, day care center.

* Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons.

* Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

So a college in KY and a Concealed carry permit would be legal.

 

[Rattler]

Yes it did happen in Ky. I looked into the Federal laws and was left more confused than anything. I asked the Deputy about those of us that have Concealed carry license having guns in our vehicles, and he just said that was a big grey area. I always take mine out before i go to school just so that i don't end up in the middle of some big "grey" area. Randy

 

[kenny61]

I didnt have time to read everything but It APPEARS that your car is ok. Here is your Kentucky gun laws Kentucky Revised Statutes

 

[Rattler]

It's the appears part that concerns me. I have learned that too many laws are left up to interpretation, and even though you can probably get out of some grey area law, it could be rather costly. Randy

 

[Midnite]

It's not a grey area--a college campus is not an elementary or secondary school. There may be college rules or regulations that might get you suspended or expelled for carrying concealed, you couldn't be arrested for it.

When you got your concealed carry permit, didn't the instructor go over your state law? In mine we went over the relevant Alaska statutes with a fine toothed comb, and also had a Q&A session with a local police officer.

Mike

 

[Rattler]

We went over the state laws , but i have had my license about 10 years. I thought a college would be considered a secondary school, or is college considered post-secondary?Randy

 

[SRath]

I thought Alaska did not even require a permit to carry concealed?

 

[Midnite]

We went over the state laws , but i have had my license about 10 years. I thought a college would be considered a secondary school, or is college considered post-secondary?Randy

Yep, college is post-secondary.



SRath, it is true that Alaska doesn't require a permit to carry concealed. However, I thought it would be good to get the permit because of a variety of reasons. It gave a NICS exemption (doesn't anymore unfortunately), it's honored by some other states, and it also forces you to go over the relevant laws.



Mike