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I am weighing options, and crunching numbers. I would love to swap my auto to a 5 or 6 speed. Is there anyone out there who has done this and can give me a shopping list?

I am going to start to find parts and prices and see which is the more reasonable way to go. I am sure I can do this for much less than the 4k I would drop into a good auto.

Give me all you can, and what trucks should I look for for donors. They are about impossible to find used or I would just trade. The only one I found close to affordable was a 96 x cab long bed stretched out bus with more miles than mine and they wanted 17k for it:rolleyes: I didnt want an auto to start with, but for the $ I paid for mine, I couldn't pass it up.



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Chris
 
I went through this same exercise when my transmission started to crap out for the second time and I found in cheaper to just fix the auto. To do it right (you wouldn't want to do it any other way) would require transmission, bellhousing, brake/clutch pedal assy, shifter & linkage, new steering column (at least a new cover after you remove the auto shift lever), dash pod (your present one shows the gear your in), and either a new PCM or reflash to keep the check engine light off. Keep in mind even though you've changed the transmission, the engine is an auto setup. It has the TPS which you can remove but the injection pump is still set for the lower HP rating. I think the fuel cams are different inside the pump.
 
I can deal with the fuel plate easy enough..... Piers are you listening?:D



I may have found a donor swap truck. Heres what I have so far off the top of my head to make it perfect for both trucks:



transmission and bellhousing (of course)

Front and rear driveshafts

PCM

Gauge Panel

transmission Cooler and Lines

Steering Column

TPS

Any attatched wiring harnesses



I know I'm missing stuff

What about flywheel is it the same on both trucks?
 
It will be close to or over your $4K. I have been crunching numbers for 2 years on this subject. If you buy parts it certainly will exceed $4K unless you buy the donor and part it out. A trade is the best way to go about it, you MIGHT get out for $3K then. Trades are hard to come by, I have been trying for a long time.





Flywheels are certainly different, so are crossmembers and driveline lengths. Do your home work carefully before buying parts, it will serve you well.
 
It looks like we are doing a swap between two trucks. Both identical wheelbases. Model year 94 and 95. Im assuming (i know, never use that word) that it should be basically just a truck to truck swap. The one question I have, standards have the dana 80, right? If one is a 70 and ones an 80, are the pinion yokes made for the same universal joint? Thereby letting us just exchange driveshafts?

Chris
 
Originally posted by Got Smoke?

Contact Gizmoo 007 he had to swap from stick to auto and he could tell you exactly what you need.



I know Giz loves his auto, if you havn't already contact him. Also cummingetme did it too a LONG time ago. Might want to talk to him if you can find him.



Good luck!!! :)



Andrew
 
Donor sounds a little morbid. My truck was almost a donor of all its organs :eek:



I figured since it's being repaired, and I've already bought a replacement, maybe a truck that anybody can drive (wife? :rolleyes: ) would be good. Might also be fun to try drag racing. Any tips on making this work? What kind of mods for the auto should I be shopping for. (not trying stir the pot for an auto trans war, really :D )
 
trans swap

Hummin Cummins:



I did the swap you are contemplating one year ago.

In addition to all the advice given so far, I will offer some observations.



Gauge cluster: the gear position indicator can be removed easily and swapped into the manual gauge cluster and vice-versa, if you want to keep your odometer reading accurate.



Wiring harnesses: There are many differneces between the two under the hood, but under the dash, the plugs for the O. D. cancel switch is there on the manual truck also, taped back to the harness, and the Trans temp light is there in the manual gauge cluster also.



I did my switch by buying a '94 BR2500 with a 5 speed to use as a donor for the auto in my '94 BR3500. I bought it cheap enough to do the swap and resell the 2500 for what I originally paid, but liked the truck enough to keep it for the daily driver. There is a difference between the transfer cases. The 2500 t-case has a tag that says NV241 DLD (Dodge Light Duty, I suspect), and does not have a p. t. o opening. The 3500 has a t-case tag that says NV241 DHD (Dodge Heavy Duty, I assume) and has a p. t. o. cover. The input shafts are different between the two, as is the overall length which makes me think the chain in the DHD is probably wider. The crossmembers are the same, but the transmission mounts are slightly different. Because of the length difference, I swapped driveshafts (Front and Rear) between trucks and they bolted right up to the pinion flange, and I believe that the 2500 had a Dana 70. Engine wiring harness AND COMPUTER were also pretty easy swaps.



I was able to swap the carpets between trucks also because they both had the same interior color. There are a couple of fittings on the block that needed to be swapped out for the transmission oil to water cooler, and it was relativly easy to swap the clutch pedal from the 2500 to the 3500. I believe that buying a complete truck and reselling after the swap is the cheapest in the end, and you are sure to have ALL the parts you need. Think of all the little parts you need, like cooler line clamps and brackets, both the oil to air and oil to coolant heat exchangers, shift boots ect. that go into the swap. When I was done no one was able to tell either of the trucks had a sex change. An added bonus was that I got to drive the donor transmission around for a month to prove it was in good working order before the swap.



My opinion was that the manual if fine for towing, but brings a little more noise into the cab thru the gear shift, and it sucks to drag race all those little Jap imports now because of the turbo lag between shifts. I have ridden in a couple of trucks pulling trailers that have installed ATS triple loc convertors and well-built trannies and would probably go that route if I had it to do over (triple loc wasn't available when I did my swap). Drag racing is far more satisfying with an auto, also. Those convertors really work great and prove that the transmission isn't really the weak link that most people think it is. I say this and want you to know that the primary use of my 3500 is to pull a gooseneck that puts GCWR at about 20,000#. But hey, I understand that some people prefer a stick, plain and simple.



Good luck whatever you decide, and I hope I have provided some useful info.
 
Bighammer...

How about I call it the "other" truck. :D You may slap me when I get there;)



Dean...

Thanks for the extra info. Everything I can find out about this makes it easier down the road. I better start printing this stuff or maybe get the computer in the garage when the work starts... LOL



Chris
 
Just to throw a real loop in everyones ear!! I am putting a Ford ZF 5 speed into my 96 auto. So far so good, not too bad of project. I thought about the NV transmission but think the ZF is better for diesels. I acquired a complete 91 truck, rebuilt the transmission and transfer case and now they are sitting underneath truck. Have a fun with it Hummin, Marc:--)
 
Just to throw a real loop in everyones ear!! I am putting a Ford ZF 5 speed into my 96 auto. So far so good, not too bad of project. I thought about the NV transmission but think the ZF is better for diesels. I acquired a complete 91 truck, rebuilt the transmission and transfer case and now they are sitting underneath truck. Have a fun with it Hummin, Marc:--)
 
SWMBO may have put the brakes on the project, at least for the moment. She heard me talking about upgrading the the auto and heard some numbers thrown out and said the truck ain't worth it. NO MORE BOMBING :( Spent a lot of $ this week and I think she's in shock. I'll try to present it when she's on a better mood.
 
Sorry, I should've PM'ed you first before posting it here. Hopefully things will change after we pay off a few bills. I'd still like to do it. I was a little shocked at the auto upgrade prices, but hey, that's the BOMBing way. She didn't like the numbers I was throwing around. It's been an expensive week. New truck, new laptop computer, new lathe, and some costly dental work. Keep in touch. It may still happen.
 
Its no problem. I have nothing to hide:D I hope the dental work wasnt from when she saw how much $ it may cost. Thats the main reason I want to go to a stick. LOL I just want a dependable daily driver with a little more guts thats why I hesitate to put so much $ into a transmission

Chris
 
I have to disagree with the notion that it is cheaper to repair the automatic than convert to standard. I got my 5 spped from a local wrecking yard for $1500. 00. That included everything from the crank shaft flange to the out put shaft. Clutch and brake pedals and shift levers and knobs. Then I desided that as long as I have this thing setting on my garage floor that I might as well replace the fifth gear retaining nut and the clutch and pressure plate. Retaining nut $40. 00 and the clutch and pressure plate $187. 00. Also had to replace the input spline and bearing in the transfer case, another $240. 00. Oh, almost forgot I had to buy the wrench that fits the fifth gear retaining nut, $40. 00 (from Miller Tools) And chris, if you deside to go ahead with this swap and need the wrench, I'll send it to you. (jba683@msn.com) I have $2007. 00 into this and a rebuild on the automatic would have been about $4000. 00 for the pulling transmission that I would have needed. I pull a 16,000 lb groos. King of The Road fifth wheel

Jim:)
 
Why not just trade

trucks with the guy who owns the 94:confused: I've done a few swaps but the donor cars were really dead, as in totalled.
 
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