Syenergy Suspension Ball joints

[EDankievitch]

Has anyone had any luck with Syenergy suspensions Ball joints? They seem to be of the same design as Carli but much less money.

 

[BDaugherty]

Link doesn't work and after a quick search I didn't find them for the AAM front axle.

 

[EDankievitch]

If you go to their web page they have an on line catalog and it shows listings for all of our trucks 2nd Gen and 3rd and 4th gen's with the American axel. I was just wondering if they were any good the price's that I found for a full kit were around $175. . Alot cheaper than Carli, and they seem to be of the same designe.

 

[Bob4x4]

Has anyone had any luck with Syenergy suspensions Ball joints? They seem to be of the same design as Carli but much less money.

They were a Carli dealer-Now they have copied most of his product line???????

 

[AEdelheit]

I would never buy anything "Synergy" . As OMB posted they are copying all there vendors and selling for less, pretty poor business practice. Not to mention who knows what the metallurgy is

 

[seafish]

Carli put ALOT of R&D not only into the design but also the metallurgy of their balljoints.
IIRC, at some point early in the release of arli balljoints, Carli's manufacturer unilaterally made a design change in some part of the heat treat process that resulted in multiple failures of the balljoints.
It took Carli quite awhile to figure out why the balljoints were failing. When they did, they conducted even additional metallurigcal tests to ensure the longevity of the balljoint.
Somehow I doubt that Synergy has put that kind of effort into it metallurgy, even if they did copy Carlis design.

If you ARE looking for a less expensive alternative to the Carlis, I have read ONLY good things about the Dyna Trac balljoints and they run aboyut $150 less for the complete set.

 

[LNaugle]

I 2nd the Dynatracs... . The only balljoint I will sell for the 3rd gens... we sell em for $650 a set. In 5. 5 years never had one set even loosen up. I have installed thousands litterally...

 

[rscurtis]

Good to know when my time comes. If they're half as good as their free spin kit, they'll be great.

 

[EDankievitch]

I have used the Dynatraxx and Carli units. Both are of very good quality. I saw the Syenergy suspensions units advertised here just wanted feed back. Carli's arethe wayto go but the price is a bit much to swallow.

 

[LNaugle]

What makes the carli's better? Price? Obviously not... The only thing i see is the grease zerks are posiibly more accessable...

 

[JDerbedrossian]

I know lifetime warranty is just a "phrase" these days but you get what you pay for with the Carli ball joints. Its not just the zirks being more accessible its the metallurgy and coating on them that make them superior to any other on the market.

 

[seafish]

What makes the carli's better? Price? Obviously not... The only thing i see is the grease zerks are posiibly more accessable...

Again, I am pretty sure that it is not just the deisgn, the metallurgy that makes them better.

 

[mfurrh55]

I posted this to the wrong person, i was looking for you, Was wondering if you knew Jim Thrailkill?, lives 8 mi. N. of Rifle, He's in the Colorado Disaster Relief, If you do, Tell him Cowboy says hello, Monte

What makes the carli's better? Price? Obviously not... The only thing i see is the grease zerks are posiibly more accessable...

 

[LNaugle]

I posted this to the wrong person, i was looking for you, Was wondering if you knew Jim Thrailkill?, lives 8 mi. N. of Rifle, He's in the Colorado Disaster Relief, If you do, Tell him Cowboy says hello, Monte

Yes i do! He is a neighbor of a good friend of mine... Will do Monte!

 

[LNaugle]

The metallurgy is superior? Who conducted that test? I now understand that the first Carli balljoints i was selling/installing in trucks and went bad are not the same as the current ones but I have had only 1 set of Dynatracs "loosen up" to approximetly 1/8" movement in 144,000 miles, and since you can reset the preload on them, they are still going strong! Thats litterally out of thousands sold/installed... .

 

[seafish]

LNaugle,



AFAIK, Carli hired and worked with a metallurgy firm to R&D the design and heat treating process of different parts of the balljoint. The initial failures had to do with a change that the manufacturer singlehandedly made, between the original batch and the second batch, to the heat treating in order to make them easier to manufacture. The story as I read it at the time indicates that Carli only discovered that a change had been made AFTER the failures. The discovery was made as they tried to identify why the balljoints were failing. I tend to believe this story, which included pics of some of the testing Carli peformed trying to id the faults, just because literally so much weight is riding on these balljoints... it seems to me that the right hardening process between the ball and the frame of the joint would be crucial to a well manufactured balljoint. From my early experiences buying US made versus Chinese woodworking machines made with machined, cast iron parts, I DEFINETLY hold the opinion that just because one product looks exactly like another does NOT mean that it will perform like the other, based entirely on its metallurical and manugfacturing process.



NONE of this is to malign the DynaTracs as an inferior product... as your own experience shows, they seem to be a high quality balljoint, very likely equal to the Carlis in longevity. I would not hesitate to use wither the Carlis or the DynaTrac balljoints in my truck when it is time to replace them. The Synergys, IMO,are an unproven knock-off.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

The metallurgy is superior? Who conducted that test?

I wish someone from Carli can chime in and say where the tests were done, I dont remember the outfit that did all the testing.

 

[LNaugle]

I wish someone from Carli can chime in and say where the tests were done, I dont remember the outfit that did all the testing.

Oh, believe me, I have contacted Carli about this, and read about it on another forum. I am happy with Dynatracs as they have never had to retool and have always been straight with me, Carli was not. I talked with them recently and we cleared up our issue but I still cant justify the price difference compared to Dynatracs track record with me... My opinion.

 

[EDankievitch]

Only thing that I didn't like about the Dynatraxx units was that the lower ball joint used a socket type grease fitting that required a needle like the double U joint on the front shaft. It next to impossable to grease when instlled in the truck and the cup fills with dirt. The Carli and Syenergy have a standard grease fitting located where you can get at it.