Talked to EDGE today about Juice

[XcumminsX]

TST GROPU BUY, IM IN!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CLAYTON]

I haven't had a problem with the Attitude at all. No codes or anything. Just good solid power and smoke when I want it. The only time that there was any sort of problem was right after I got it I stepped on it being in the highest level with out the truck being up to full temp and it cut out. Never happened since and have had no problems. I stacked it with the Edge (lvl 3) and the Juice on lvl 1,2 and 3... all I can say is WOOOOOW Oo. !! I tried putting the Attitude on lvl 5 on the freeway when some one was tail gating me and I just bogged the truck a little and the car behind me vanished in my smoke. I wonder what all the problems that they are talking about over there at Edge. Guess I got lucky and have a good "Attitude".

 

[RankRam]

CLAYTON is that transmission still working well?



I'm glad to see things are working out for you.

 

[CLAYTON]

transmission is fine. Not one problem with it. Hope that it still keeps holding. When the transmission goes does it just go and that's it or will it slip and give me a indication that I'm giving it to much power before I fry it?

 

[Scrappy]

problems

I guess its a TST for me! I am tired of the of EDGE stringing us along for over 6 months and then admit a major failure. EDGE does good stuff but I am not waiting anymore since I have the money now.

 

[Bouncy]

Please reread my 1st post.



Edge SAID... They are having problems with PRODUCTION UNITS. Not BETA units.



So they want to FIX the PRODUCTION units... Probably the dang ford ones FIRST before putting a new box on the market.



Therefore, they are delaying the release for 5-6 months so they can fix the PRODUCTION units.



I have NOT heard anything about the BETA units not working properly.



But like everyone... I AM SICK OF WAITING.

 

[DLeno]

I met a guy on the road with a bully dog complete system. He said it was a 134hp model that was special request. Called BG and they claim to never had made that box.

Bullydog had a 130 "or so" HP timing/pressure box that was pulled from the market.

Wanted to find a setup with all 3 adjustable options for timing, duration, fueling.

TST has timing and duration today. duration is what provides the "fueling". fuel can be added by either increasing the amount of fuel per squirt (higher pressure and/or bigger injector), and/or by increasing the amount of time the injector stays open.

If I have to stack... I will stack.

I read about a TST and Edge box combo being deadly.

Adding pressure to duration acts to cool EGTs for the same HP level. this has been proven with the pure (no timing) duration box from VA, and I believe is also succesful with the TST box. The longer the duration, the more retarded the timing is.



The way I see it, the reason the EZ stacks are succesful with the TST (in reducing EGTs) is because you are able to achieve a given power level with a shorter duration. Even if you advance timing with the TST, EGTs may STILL benefit if you can shorten the duration by adding pressure. I'm not aware of any TST/pressure box stacks that actually provide a HP output increase of anything significant. what you do is get more of the power via pressure and less of it via duration.



The deadly combination comes when you stack for the wrong reasons or existing air system (including the turbo) can't handle the fuel. TST boxes on TE 9 eat stock turbos, from what I'm reading. the impeller and associated shafts and bearings just can't handle the stress. So you can always add fuel -- thats as easy as a credit card charge and 15 minutes under the hood. What you want to be careful of is being able to use that fuel by providing enough air.



I think the TST and Edge combo would be very nice, as long as you stayed within the operating limits of your air system and fuel system. those are big deals, of course. same goes for VA and pressure, although the TST box has the advantage of integrated timing.



If you want to adjust pressure as well as duration, then put on an adjustable pressure box like Quadzilla, Volumizer, Bullydog, etc. and stack one of those with the TST. Timing won't be adjustable, but you'll have two pressure settings and 9x9 duration settings.



Quadzilla is teasing us with an adjustable timing/pressure box, and it looks like this will provide a good option. It won't get you duration, which you could obtain from VA, but that combo won't give you the adjustability of the TST.



One thing to keep in mind about the TST versus any other single or stacked combo out there: nothing on the face of the earth will fuel more and smoke more at the low end. But, turn the TE settings down for the street, and turn them back up for the track!

I really just want something good for towing and able to pump it hard at the track a couple times a year

For adjustability, nothing beats the TST. put the EZ on there to give a little pressure, and then fill in the blanks in the torque curve with the TST's separate low end and high end settings. dial in whatever your air system can handle. For racing you won't find anything that beats the TST, but you will probably be shopping for turbos and fuel system enhancements soon

 

[KS_Cummins]

I've got my Edge EZ level 4 stacked with my TST PowerMaxCR. I've had no problems, no codes and plenty of power. I need to stay off of the higher settings on the TST till I can get a new clutch in that will hold the power. It will slip the clutch in 6th gear with the EZ on 4 and the TST on 2hp 2tq. So there are plenty of settings to go once the clutch is upgraded. Once the new clutch is in I'll see if I need and fuel and turbo upgrades.

 

[BigDsl]

Just a quick question... will the Edge EZ off my '01 work on my '04. 5?



Thanks

 

[DLeno]

thats a definate negative. completely different fueling system and controls

 

[BigDsl]

Thanks D... that's why I gave the old man my Edge (he still has his '01). Glad to see I don't have to steal it back... . lol

 

[ThomasLawrence]

I'm not aware of any TST/pressure box stacks that actually provide a HP output increase of anything significant.

Doug,



In my tests, the best numbers I could achieve with the TST alone was on level 7, with 470HP. With the EZ on level 4, and the TST on level 5, I made 490HP. TST level 7 with EZ on 4 dropped me down to 435HP.



The EZ gave me an extra 20HP, with less duration, which translated into lower EGT's (nothing astounding... maybe 50-75°F or so, but EGT readings on a dyno don't mean a whole lot to begin with)



-Tom

 

[hotram03]

TST/Edge EZ

I've been running the this combo now for around 6 months now with no problems, I have 1 code set but mark at TST said it is due to the fuel system, a p0636 ac high voltage at relay, something about I need to ground the fuel system different, this has been like this for awhile with no side effects, but I'm gonna call Brad at Diesel Performance and see what I have to do about moving my ground on the FASS system, this combo deadly? well only if you dont respect it.

 

[DLeno]

Tom -- thats good to know. I was aware of a 10 HP increase with the stack (over TST alone), but not 20. Those are pretty small potatoes, still. it appears that the TST goes well beyond the capacity of the rail itself, and even when the low pressure side is corrected there is some sweet spot of duration and pressure that may optimize fuel delivery. I wish we could get a comparison with just pure pressure and injectors to compare EGTs. that would be fascinating.



EGT differences measured on a load dyno would be meaningful I think. that is, sustained loads. the acceleration dyno is still not meaningless, in my opinion, even though its hard to correlate with the actual driving condition. But as a comparison between different fueling methods on the same truck on the same dyno on the same day, I think its significant. to me it suggests a more complete burn.



HotRam03 -- you said it.