The Earth Has Cancer!!

[Doc Tinker]

Are humans the cancer of Earth?



Doc

 

[bmoeller]

Only politicians, most lawyers, and tree huggers to name a few.

 

[Steve M]

Yes we are. Human beings are the most deseased, distructive, and inconsistant animals on earth.

 

[klenger]

The earth will be around long after we are gone.

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Dl5treez

I don't think we're a Cancer as much as a big ass nasty virus.

Parasite. We feed off the planet, we destroy what we touch, we consume and leave behind equal piles of waste.



The planet may still be here long after we are gone, but in the grand scheme of things, in the 4000 years of reasonably civilized human infestation (my opinion, let's not let this turn into a religious discussion), we have caused enough destruction that even in planet years is going to take a hell of a long time to recover (bear in mind that 10 million years to a planet is like a day at work for us). You know those horror-alien movies like Independance Day nad Signs... We are going to be those aliens.



Disclaimer: No I am not a tree hugger, animal rights activist (although I do feel that rifle, trophy and predator hunting with high powered scopes, bait, traps and dogs is extremely unsporting and pansy-ish. Nature shorted you, not them. Grow faster, stronger, and learn to be quiet. Don't cheat) or any of the other hair brained PC banner bangers. I don't litter (except for cigarette butts), I smoke, I don't recycle, I love my smoking (occasionally) diesel, I eat meat, I do enjoy driving/motorcycle riding on virgin ground, I pack out what I pack in, I find it amusing that the American idea of a historical item is 50 years and older, pro choice, anti child safety, anti warning label for stupid people, blah blah blahh.

 

[NETim]

Jeez... getting a good glimpse of the Liberal mindset here. No wonder some people prefer big government to self determination.



You guys remember of course, that in the utopian world of Soviet communism, the "worker's paradise" as it were, those guys managed to pollute and ruin the environment to a much greater extent than us evil capitalist types. Eastern Europe's rivers are a disaster! You will note also that despite our terrible shortcomings (like profit), the capitalist system has developed many systems for cleaning up the mess and actually making things better.



Then to what never seems to be mentioned is that Mother Nature has a way of polluting as well. For example, when Mt. Pinautubo in the Philliphines blew it's stack a few years back, it put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than mankind had in the last 100 years. Hmmmm.....



Then there's been all these ice ages and massive dieoffs of animal life throughout the life of the earth, long before man was ever on the scene. Yes, it's a tough ol' world.



Yes, we can do better and I believe we are. But we cannot live a totally non-polluting existence. Just tain't possible, even when a Democrat is in whitehouse.



Today's challenge: Be optimistic. Yeah I know, it's much tougher than being a pessimist. Much tougher and it requires more thought, but as they say "Life is what you make it. "



Tim

 

[Steve M]

If you mow your lawn and put down alittle fertilizer, there will be some concrete cowboy flying off the handle about what a liberal tree hugging grass lover you are.

The capitalists of this country are bound by rules of the EPA. Otherwise they would dump their waste in the rivers like they did before the EPA put a stop to it.

I remember cars in the winter time in the '60s. They would gag you with their chokes on in the morning. And city buses would belch out a solid black plume on every launch from the bus stop. Tampa Bay was polluted and stunk like raw sewage because there was raw sewage flowing right into the water. I wouldn't want to go back to that. If that makes me a liberal in your mind then so be it. Anything even remotely left of extreme right is viewed as bleeding heart liberalism by the extremists. I'm liberal on some issues and conservative on others whether you like it or not. But I'm not devided by party lines. And I like to breathe clean air and swim in clean water.

Clinton's BJ in the white house doesn't make conservative's mistakes ok. And filth in other countries doesn't make filth here ok. Blame shifting doesn't make anything ok.

 

[NETim]

Originally posted by Steve M

Yes we are. Human beings are the most deseased, distructive, and inconsistant animals on earth.

Steve, isn't that a pretty dim view of your fellow man? We're capable of great and wonderous things as well.



In general Liberalism holds a poor view of mankind. That's how they justify in their own minds the large and intrusive government they so dearly love.



That's what's great about a capitalistic democratic type of government, just as we are free to make a mess of things, we are free to correct our errors.



Techology has evolved so that we can correct problems, also a result of a free market economy. Nothing's perfect, but I like to think that we're getting better all the time.



Clinton's ethical lapses are just the tip of the iceberg. I didn't like his tax hikes, reduction in military spending, transfer of satellite technology and views on gun control among other things. But this isn't about Clinton. We can find plenty of scoundrels on both sides. I just don't care for the modern form of Liberalism is all and that's where I'm coming from.



No one wants dirty air or water, not even Conservatives. However, like all things, regulation must be imposed with common sense.



And my reference to the old Eastern Bloc was not to justify our own failures. I was simply pointing out that it's worse elsewhere and it was worse under a system that was the ultimate and purest manifestation of modern Liberalism. (You know, the true defenders of the Earth and all that stuff. )



In an ideal world we wouldn't need the EPA, OSHA and other regulatory agencies. People would simply do the right thing and do it of their own volition. They would not let the wrongdoings of others justify their own.



But since there are those who are weak, we must atone for our sins. We must endure intrusive government.



Tim



"Capitalism is the worst system yet devised-except for all the others. " Winston Churchill

 

[Steve M]

No, it's a realistic view of my fellow man. Human beings are riddled with diseases. Are we not? We have caused more destruction to the planet than any other animal. Have we not? And although the most intelligent animal on earth, we are also the most inconsistent. Do the Pope and Saddam share any common interests or values? All other animals are far more predictable.

Liberals intrusive? It's the holier than thou conservatives who want to invade my home with their legislated morality.

Yes we have the best form of government in the world. It's the extremists who want to go back to the dark ages.

Technology has evolved in the area of pollution control because the EPA has demanded it. Capitalists don't care as long as the pollution isn't in their back yard.

I don't like Clinton either. Because I'm not a right wing extremist doesn't make me a bleeding heart liberal. I'm most likely to vote for the candidate who's most likely to leave me the phq alone.

Conservatives don't want dirty air, however, since a volcano erupted, it's a free for all. Just haul the garbage and sewage to the other side of town. Those people are poor and dirty anyhow.



"In an ideal world we wouldn't need the EPA, OSHA and other regulatory agencies. People would simply do the right thing and do it of their own volition. They would not let the wrongdoings of others justify their own.

But since there are those who are weak, we must atone for our sins. We must endure intrusive government. "



What? That's not a very positive view of your fellow man.

 

[klenger]

How did this become a political thread?

I agree. I was thinking of posting a thread titled "it rained here today" and see how long it takes to turn it political.

 

[Steve M]

"Jeez... getting a good glimpse of the Liberal mindset here. No wonder some people prefer big government to self determination. "



Tim, do you seeeee what you have done?

 

[Sticks]

I prefer Anarchy myself.

 

[JTBMC]

Whats it like riding this virgin on the ground, and stalking the prey flesh eating thing, sounds like just another Neanderthal to me.

TJ

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by tjlaffite

Whats it like riding this virgin on the ground, and stalking the prey flesh eating thing, sounds like just another Neanderthal to me.

TJ

See something not many others have seen (virgin ground)



Stalking the prey flesh eating thing... keep it fair, no fire arms.

 

[JTBMC]

Hey Sticks,

I like it that way too, and love the taste of fresh flesh , as far a Virgin ground I dought if there is any place in the U. S. A. that other men have not walked, trapped, or hunted, but its virgin to me if I've never walked it before.

I bow hunt Deer & Elk with a 90 pound draw stick bow. (English Long Bow) No compounds for this old Neanderthal.

I Bow fish with a 65 pound draw recurve bow and have even hunted and killed several Russian boar (Razor Backs) with my Cold Steel Spear. We've got Hogs by the ton here along the Pearl River, bordering Louisiana & Mississippi.

What a hoot, of course I have a couple of good Catahoula black mouth Kur catch Dogs that love the hunt as much as I do. Get in close and put one down with a spear and your never forget that hunt believe you me.

Shoot a 6 foot long, 200 pound Alligator Gar fish in the swamp out of your 14 foot pirogue at night with your bow, using a Coleman lantern to bring them to the surface, and hang on for the fight of your life, now thats what I call fair chance and chase and sporting to boot.

I do hunt the gun season too, modern & Flint lock muzzle loader, but iron sight only.

TJ

 

[Champane Flight]

I don't need it

I don't need the meat right now, ugh, plenty at Safeway.

 

[Jff24Gordn]

Doc, start to operate.

 

[Scot]

Originally posted by Steve M

All other animals are far more predictable.

Please do a net search on "grizzly bear. "



Actually I believe that the Earth, in all its wisdom, decided that it needed plastic, and as it had no way to produce it, allowed humans to evolve.

 

[Steve M]

I like animals too so don't get me all wrong. Grizzly bears may be unpredictable to the extent that bears are. I'm talking about humans being as different within the species as Hitler and the Pope. Extremes of moral values and ethics. One person might just as well shoot you as look at you while another might go way out of his way to do you a favor. One gossips, the other doesn't. One's a pig, the next is a clean freak. One's a hard worker, another is a bum. One is an OBGYN, the next is a serial rapist/murderer. One is a fighter pilot, the other is affraid of the dark. One is a president, another blushes if you say hello. One is a lady, the other is a REAL WOMAN!

 

[lpearson]

Originally posted by sticks

I prefer Anarchy myself.

Sticks I believe you were only joking, I think, --But, some food for thought.



I've been to Russia (Former republic of Georgia) and have seen the stage just prior to all out "Anarchy"------Pretty scarey. Might think of getting a gun or two in that case.



I was with my wife and 12 year old son at that time (1994), my hair was mostly brown, but after the stress and worry about protection for them for 4 months my hair turned white.



It's hard to describe what fear and stress will do to a person. The average age of an old person there was 49-51, they looked like they were 25-30 years older. Almost the entire population of Tbilisi were young (20ish) 35 and up was considered old.



Many people died around us during that time, bombings, auto- gun fire was heard almost every night.



There was no tax base to care for roads or anything else, I witnessed pot holes in almost everywhere we went, if you can call them that, that a full sized bus would fit into. The water system was put in by Hitler in the early 40's, but with no repair or up keep, most people in the suburb of Galdonie spent almost their entire day carring water, -----many times we went for 3 days with only 2 pints of questionable water each.



Re-reading my diary, I noticed that I was sick almost the entire time while there, major stomach problems, flu and the like. My wife almost died with food poisoning. There are no medicines there except for the rich( Mafia=KGB) and then it is scarse. We both went to the hospital (if you can call it that, won't go into that subject) anyway, all we could get was sugar water. Our hosts stayed with us 24 hours a day until we were able to stand on our feet again. They told us we were in danger being there, as we were from America. (kiddnapping - ransom or just kill for the fun of it type thing).



Unemployment was at 80%, young gangs everywhere, there were no schools open, only Russian Mafia children could afford to go to private schools- (we taught at one for a brief time. ) The entire area (buildings) were made from crumbling old grey concrete (1920's Communism style),



No grass anywhere, just weeds, many could be seen going through them to find something edible. Shopping for food and goods was basically in one main market, (Tbilisi and suburbs =2,000,000 people). Petro (gas) at that time was about $3. 50 gal. - 1 in about 300 people had a car, (if you can call them that, Lada's mostly). Those who had jobs made on the avg. of $25 per month.



Bread lines were only kind of safe at 3:00 am when the gangs wouldn't beat or kill you for your government ration of 3 loafs of crummy bread. We lived on cabbage soup and old bread mostly. I lost over 40 lbs in 4 months, (I looked like a P. O. W. )----- People were killed for their apartments (flats).



Most had electricity maybe 1-2 hours a day, sometimes we went without any for up to a week. Along with very little water, there was NO hot water or Heating. We didn't bathe for the entire time we were there. (When we got to Frankfurt Germany and had our first shower after 4 month, it was "heaven". (I now think about how fortunate we are every time I shower. ) Very cold along the Cacaus Mts (16,000 footers) I still can't handle cold well to this day.



Even though we have problems in this country, (government and otherwise)----I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The average "Joe" lives at a standard that others in these types of places can only dream of.



Sorry, I took so long on this.



Lowell