The Greyhound bus incident. Illegal alien to blame

[Chad Sheets]

Did you guys all hear the same thing I did? They are saying this guy was here illegally for 2 years. Then he decides to cut someone's throat and kill a bunch of people on the buss. I am running out of cheeks to turn, how about you guys?

 

[Oasis-3]

I am with ya

If we can close the stock market for 3 days and ground all of our planes for a few days.

I think it is time we close our borders for a year or two so we can weed some of the rif raf out and make this land safe for you and me again



Cliff

 

[RichB59]

terror

What I don't understand is how the FBI can look at this guy and announce the very same day (he is not a terrorist). No investigation just a quick look? We should begin to look at all visas and start deporting anyone who could be a threat. They are damn quick to go after Americans who break the law, how about a little justice for illegals. Send them home!!!!



Rich

 

[nps]

How do you find them?

Don't know how you go about finding someone who doesn't want to be found inside a free society - although sure wish they would find a way. Sad that just a few individuals like those we've recently been introduced to can impact everyones lives.



There's been alot of talk about profiling. Don't know that it would have spotted this guy - not all bad guys look like they just graduated from bin Laden U AND there's many of the good guys that do fit within the profile.



20/20 (John Stossel) did a segment on profiling Tuesday night. Real ironic how the folks that should be most opposed to profiling actually support it if the target is Arab-looking. Click here to read a synopsis of the segment. Note the last traveller quoted - the one that said to treat us all like terrorists - was a caucasian woman.



Yes Chad - all out of cheeks. Eye-for-an-eye time now.



Neil

 

[Happy Camper]

Hang on as I might ruffle some feathers! Why make it so easy for anyone to come to the USA? Why not make all flights clear into the USA at one Airport? Why not implant a chip so they can be tracked while within our borders? Why not have a sponsor before any one can enter? Why let the Visa expire and no one knows where they are?

ANSWER: We stand for freedom and the right of liberty and justice for all. It is time to put the books on the shelf and use some good "ole" common sense.

 

[nps]

Happy Camper -



I hear you. However for anything other than a short-term tourist visa to the USA you already need a sponser. The sponser is supposed to be responsible for the individual sponsered (visa expire/renewal/financial responsibility to get them home when its over/etc. ). The problem is that it is on the honor system - once you're in you are expected to play by the rules. As we see in other facets of life here, the good guys play by the rules and the bad guys ignore them.



Kinda like gun control - we don't really need ANY new laws because they can't figure out a way of enforcing the existing ones in a way that preserves freedom for the majority of the good guys and acheives the desired results on the bad guys.



The fact is that in much (not all) of the rest of the world you already have to present your passport to check into a hotel, to transfer money, and in some countries it's required to buy an airplane ticket, etc. The US airlines are already talking about hooking their reservation systems into FBI/INS systems. So the good guys don't even have to be inconvenienced by it.



I don't think a few strategically located checkpoints along the way of life here in the good old USA is wholesale surrendering of liberty and freedom if it doesn't limit the good guys but hurts the bad guys. If the checks aren't obvious and visible then all the much better (unless you have something to hide).



Life is not black and white - it is made up from shades of grey. I think you can preserve liberty and freedom for the living good guys, and give a bit of justice back to those that lost their lives in the recent attacks (they already lost their liberty and freedom and only have their right to justice left), by getting the rest of the bad guys outta here.

 

[Happy Camper]

nps, I agree with checks and shades of grey. Our way of life of live and let live is gone. Put the clamps down where it is needed and if you have to stop for 30 seconds at a check in counter to show id so be it.

 

[danandamy]

Just my opinion but.......

I think they don't want to cause any more panic. I think if the truth be told it is a terrorist attack. They just said the guy was here on a Croation visa. Most Croations are muslims. Hmmmm. Why am I having no problem puting 2+2 together here ? Have ya'll heard about the professor from the university in Florida that's an obvious front man for Hamas? How would you like to be sending your kid to a college, paying the ridiculous tuition charges so this guy can sit there smiling at you while spitting in your face? Guys like that come here, use our freedom of speech etc. to turn around and raise money and organize for attacks against those very freedoms! It's time to boot these guys and quit playing politically correct

 

[Chad Sheets]

What defines a terrorist?



The guy overpowered a vehicle full of civilians, cut the operators throat and had that vehicle slam into something and kill/injure people. Sounds like terrorist to me. May not be from the same "cell" or group, but it fits the definition in my book.



Witnesses say he was behaving in a threatening way, a way that instilled terror into their lives. Then he used violence and terror to promote his views.



I heard a radio talk guy say the events of the 11th match up with polls taken of people before all this happened. The polls were "what would you do if" questions. What would you do if the restaurant you were in was robbed? What would you do if you were mugged? What would you do if you were carjacked? All the questions were about you being involved with a violent situation. The answers were either A: Comply with criminal, or B: resist or try subdue the criminal.



Less than 10% polled said they would fight or resist. Only 1 plane had passengers who succeeded in subduing/fighting their hijackers. Did the other 3 planes have a crew that went after the hijackers (by crew I mean everyone on the plane)? We dont know, and we have to assume "no" from the evidence we have seen and been told about at this point. I hope the next time a poll like this is taken more people answer with "B", and mean it.



If people on that bus were nervous about this guy, and saw him making his moves, why didnt someone react? Maybe there was not time to react in that case? I hope that is the reason. It goes back to know your surroundings, stay alert, stay safe and stay alive.

 

[Rogue Ram]

Chad,



You and most of the others on this site are right on.



If I may digress slightly: I sure hope no one buys the horsecrap that so many so-called "police administrators" out there are shovelling, "you are better off not to fight back", because that is just the reason these bad things happened to those good people. I've been in the law enf gig for many years now, finally at a management level, and these guys make me sick when they tell the media they speak for "law enforcement as a whole". In a pigs eye! The good citizens on Flight 93 had it right... ... . from the flight attendant with the boiling water to those with the cell phones smart enough to let a 911 dispatcher know what they were gonna do. Like Happy Camper says "common sense"... . if bad things are gonna happen in a big way, people need to DO SOMETHING.



I'm just sad Flight 93 didn't make it back in one piece with a bunch of burned, carved-up, beaten senseless terrorists stuffed into the lavatory.



my . 02 cents.



very Rogue

 

[BCFAST]

I'd like to quote a letter to the editor from the Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinel in today's paper:

A few days ago you published an article in which you quoted and Islamic cleric defining the word "Islam". He said it means "peace".

That is incorrect and I think it is important that we understand the nature of the deception being perpetrated here. The true meaning of the word "Islam" is "submission". The concept is to submit to the will of those above you. The clerics submit to Allah. The people submit to the their clerics. The women submit to the men, who treat them as chattel.

We must understand the difference in order to see the threat. This concept of sumission is not taught only in extreamist circles; it is one of the main tenets of the Islamic religion. They claim they support Anmica, but I think not. They think nothing of deceiving us to further their cause as they consider us, and all unbelievers, beneath them. The sooner we understand this, the sooner we will be able to protect our country and ourselves.

 

[Timinator]

It ought to be against the law for illegal aliens to do things like that. Maybe we need stiffer gun control laws.

My sister-in-law is an MD and thought the gun control stuff might be a good idea, so she sent me some studies from JAMA. I read them in order to fully educate my predictable answer. It turns out that the 'firearms' cited in the studies included guns, knives, baseball bats and other blunt, club-like objects. Guns were only about 25 perceent of the weapons studied. I pointed that out to her and asked her to read more closely next time. She's become less rabid in her stance. I've become more.