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I have been reading some amazing reviews of this movie, I believe it opens in a few weeks, to the general public. I guess the press get's to see it first, Paul Harvey had a great review of it, here is another:



Subject: Movie: The Passion of the Christ





A News Anchor's Perspective on "The Passion of the Christ"

Jody Dean

Dallas/Ft. Worth anchor, CBS News





There have been tons of e-mails and forwards floating around recently

from those who have had the privilege of seeing Mel Gibson's The Passion

Of The Christ prior to its actual release. I thought I'd give you my

reaction after seeing it last [week. ]



The screening was on the first night of "Elevate!* a weekend-long seminar

for young people at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano. There were about

2,000 people there, and the movie was shown after several speakers had

taken the podium. It started around 9:00 and finished around

11:00... about two hours in length. Frankly, I lost complete track of time

- so I can't be sure.



I want you to know that I started in broadcasting when I was

13-years-old. I have been in the business of writing, performing,

production and broadcasting for a long time. I have been a part of

movies, radio, television, stage and other productions - so I know how

things are done. I know about soundtracks and special effects and make-up

and screenplays. I think I have seen just about every kind of movie or TV

show ever made - from extremely inspirational to extremely gory. I read a

lot - and have covered stories and scenes that still make me wince. I

also have a vivid imagination, and have the ability to picture things as

they must have happened - or to anticipate things as they will be

portrayed. I have also seen an enormous amount of footage from Gibson's

film, so I thought I knew what was coming.



But there is nothing in my existence - nothing I could have read, seen,

heard, thought or known - that could have prepared me for what I saw on

screen last night.



This is not a movie that anyone will "like". I don't think it's a movie

anyone will "love". It certainly doesn't "entertain". There isn't even

the sense that one has just watched a movie. What it is*an experience -

on a level of primary emotion that is scarcely comprehensible. Every

shred of human preconception or predisposition is utterly stripped away.

No one will eat popcorn during this film. Some may not eat for days after

they've seen it. Quite honestly, I wanted to vomit. It hits that hard.



I can see why some people are worried about how the film portrays the

Jews. They should be worried. No, it's not anti-Semitic. What it is, is

entirely shattering. There are no "winners". No one comes off looking

"good" - except Jesus. Even His own mother hesitates. As depicted, the

Jewish leaders of Jesus' day merely do what any of us would have done -

and still do. They protected their perceived "place" - their sense of

safety and security, and the satisfaction of their own "rightness". But

everyone falters. Caiphus judges. Peter denies. Judas betrays. Simon

theCyrene balks. Mark runs away. Pilate equivocates. The crowd mocks. The

soldiers laugh. Longinus still stabs with his pilus. The centurion still

carries out his orders. And as Jesus fixes them all with a glance, they

still turn away. The Jews, the Romans, Jesus' friends - they all fall.

Everyone, except the Principal Figure. Heaven sheds a single, mighty tear

- and as blood and water spew from His side, the complacency of all

creation is eternally shattered.



The film grabs you in the first five seconds, and never lets go. The

brutality, humiliation, and gore are almost inconceivable - and still

probably does not go far enough. The scourging alone seems to never end,

and you cringe at the sound and splatter of every blow - no matter how

steely your nerves. Even those who have known combat or prison will have

trouble, no matter their experience - because this Man was not

conscripted. He went willingly, laying down His entirety for all. It is

one thing for a soldier to die for his countrymen. It's something else

entirely to think of even a common man dying for those who hate and wish

to kill him. But this is no common man. This is the King of the Universe.

The idea that anyone could or would have gone through such punishment is

unthinkable - but this Man was completely innocent, completely holy - and

paying the price forothers. He screams as He is laid upon the cross,

"Father, they don't know. They don't know... "



What Gibson has done is to use all of his considerable skill to portray

the most dramatic moment of the most dramatic events since the dawn of

time. There is no escape. It's a punch to the gut that puts you on the

canvas, and you don't get up. You are simply confronted by the horror of

what was done - what had to be done - and why. Throughout the entire

film, I found myself apologizing.



What you've heard about how audiences have reacted is true. There was no

sound after the film's conclusion. No noise at all. No one got up. No one

moved. The only sound one could hear was sobbing. In all my years of

public life, I have never heard anything like that.



I told many of you that Gibson had reportedly re-shot the ending to

include more "hope" through the Resurrection? That's not true. The

Resurrection scene is perhaps the shortest in the entire movie - and yet

it packs a punch that can't be quantified. It is perfect. There is no way

to negotiate the meaning out of it. It simply asks, "Now, what will you

do?"



I'll leave the details to you, in the hope that you will see the film -

but one thing above all stands out, and I have to tell you about it. It

comes from the end of Jesus' temptations in the wilderness - where the

Bible says Satan left him "until a more opportune time. " I imagine Satan

never quit tempting Christ, but this film captures beyond words the most

opportune time. At every step of the way, Satan is there at Jesus' side -

imploring Him to quit, reasoning with Him to give up, and seducing Him to

surrender. For the first time, one gets a heart-stopping idea of the

sense of madness that must have enveloped Jesus - a sense of the evil

that was at His very elbow. The physical punishment is relentless - but

it's the sense of psychological torture that is most overwhelming. He

should have quit. He should have opened His mouth. He should have called

10,000 angels. No one would have blamed Him. What we deserve is obvious.

But He couldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. He didn't do that. He

doesn't do that. It was not and is not His character. He was obedient,

all the way to the cross - and you feel the real meaning of that phrase

in a place the human heart usually doesn't dare to go. You understand

that we are called to that same level of obedience. With Jesus' humanity

so irresistibly on display, you understand that we have no excuse. There

is no place to hide.



The truth is this: Is it just a "movie"? In a way, yes. But it goes far

beyond that, in a fashion I've never felt - in any forum. We may think we

"know". We know nothing. We've gone 2,000 years - used to the idea of a

pleasant story, and a sanitized Christ. We expect the ending, because

we've heard it so many times. God forgive us. This film tears that all

away. It's is as close as any of us will ever get to knowing, until we

fully know. Paul understood. "Be urgent, in and out of season. "



Luke wrote that Jesus reveals Himself in the breaking of the bread.

Exactly. The Passion Of The Christ shows that Bread being broken.
 
thanks Elite1 for this... . I for one WILL see this movie. had tears just reading the review. Kudos to Mel for having the gonads to make this.



my signature says it all... ...
 
This production is rated "R" because of the blood, etc. "R" rated movies aren't allowed in my home. I don't go to the theaters and waste my money on them (nor on very many so-called PG movies). I was stationed in Naples, Italy for four years and went frequently to Rome. We wandered through the Collesium many times - but I still wouldn't go see "Gladiator" on the big screen. It was rated "R".



"The Passion of Christ" will be an exception. I decided this some months ago after "Focus On The Family" explained what this production truly entails. This review by Jody Dean seals that decision.



When you just sit back, read what Christ went through for each of us, and reflect on that, it brings those tears to your eyes. I expect this will be uncontrolled sobbing.



Wayne



(saved by Grace)
 
my wife just read this review. she feels (and i agree) that Mel had a whole lotta guidance from above in making this film. she too says its a story that has been glossed over for two thousand years and now NEEDS to be told correctly.
 
It's my prayer that countless souls will be moved to give their lives to Jesus Christ after experiencing this film. I can't wait to see it, but a little afraid to see what He went through for us. Don't forget to take a box of Kleenex with you!

Craig
 
I've subcribed to "The Elijah List", and they've also given this movie a must see. Elite1 gave a very similar review as to what I've read about "The Passion of the Christ". We also need to lift Mel Gibson, and Jim Caviezel in our prayers. They have had death threats made against them because of the making of this film. Everyone in hollywood and most in the media don't want this movie in the theaters. The more they complain of the movie, the more support it gains. The Lord moves in mighty ways.



Paul
 
Originally posted by PLaFrombois

I've subcribed to "The Elijah List", and they've also given this movie a must see. Elite1 gave a very similar review as to what I've read about "The Passion of the Christ". We also need to lift Mel Gibson, and Jim Caviezel in our prayers. They have had death threats made against them because of the making of this film. Everyone in hollywood and most in the media don't want this movie in the theaters. The more they complain of the movie, the more support it gains. The Lord moves in mighty ways.



Paul



Paul, Yes I have read the same sentiment, about Hollywood. Seems no big studios wanted any part of this film, and none of the major theatres are slated to show it, when it comes out Feb. 25th, (ash wed. ). It will get good support from the smaller theatres then the big ones will have to pick it up. It should be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
I too, don't go to "R" rated films from Hellywood; but will be in prayer that it will be OK'd by God to go to this one.



Every passover season I read an article written by a medical doctor about the passion of Jesus. I can never get through it without gasping and tears rolling down my face. He said that he was familiar with the last days of Christ but he, even though he was a doctor hadn't really looked into the aspect of what and how the beating and crucifixion would have killed him, so he wrote the article.



The beating Jesus took by the Roman solders should have killed him before he was nailed to the cross, but the "word" had to be fulfilled. Scripture records that if one were to see him, one may have not recognized that he was a man; because the beating left him a bloody "pulp".



Isaiah 52:14, "As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred MORE than any man, and his form more that the sons of men. "



From what I've heard and just read, it sounds like this film came close to how it was. On a side note, I saw bits and pieces of the films advertisement; 3 of the 4 gospels have Simon, a Cyrenian, bearing the cross from the beginning. Only John has it different, but I still think the "he" refers to Simon because of the other accounts. John 19:17; "And he (Simon) bearing his (Jesus's) cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:"



I've been totally exhausted before in my younger years when I was an idiot fighting. My personal opinion is that Jesus, as a man, would not have been able to lift, let alone carry a heavy wooden cross after being beaten as he was, along with shock and great blood loss that accompanies that type of torture. I believe that scripture backs this up. The movie showed Jesus struggling as he carried the cross-- a mistake I think.



Regards,

Lowell
 
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Lowell,



From what I've read and heard about the crucifixion, Jesus probably carried only the horizontal cross bar, not the full cross. However, it would have been laid across his shoulders and his bicepts and wrists would have been tied up to the ends of the bar. Then, when he lost his balance, which would have happened because of his weakness and being pushed along by the guards, he would have fallen with no way to break the fall.



When he finally arrived at Golgatha, he would have been stripped naked, laid down with the up-right beam under his back and the cross beam would have been attached (either by nailing or by tying) to the up-right beam. His wrists and feet would have then been nailed to the complete cross. The cross would have been lifted and dropped into a hole into the ground with him hanging there. The severe shock on the wrists, feet, and back from being dropped like that would have been excruciating.



And he took all of this punishment and humiliation for me.



And everyone else, too.



Deacon Wayne
 
Originally posted by wcaldwell

Lowell,



From what I've read and heard about the crucifixion, Jesus probably carried only the horizontal cross bar, not the full cross. However, it would have been laid across his shoulders and his bicepts and wrists would have been tied up to the ends of the bar. Then, when he lost his balance, which would have happened because of his weakness and being pushed along by the guards, he would have fallen with no way to break the fall.



When he finally arrived at Golgatha, he would have been stripped naked, laid down with the up-right beam under his back and the cross beam would have been attached (either by nailing or by tying) to the up-right beam. His wrists and feet would have then been nailed to the complete cross. The cross would have been lifted and dropped into a hole into the ground with him hanging there. The severe shock on the wrists, feet, and back from being dropped like that would have been excruciating.



And he took all of this punishment and humiliation for me.



And everyone else, too.



Deacon Wayne



Deacon Wayne,

Hi,

Thanks for writing what you did; I've read and heard what you wrote too. However, I can't find anywhere in the Bible exactly what and how it happened, by that I mean what he did or didn't carry. That being said, your statement may very well be correct. Here are some interesting scriptures; none of the Gospel writers mention a seperation of the cross (cross arm and pole), but that doesn't mean that it wasn't so. (In another post I will write what I found , that goes along with what you wrote. )



Matthew 27:26 & 30-32; " Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified. ----And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head. And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him. And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they complelled to bear his cross. "



Mark 15:15, & 20-21; "And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delvered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified. -----And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him and led him out to crucify him. And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross. "



Luke 23:24-26 "And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required. And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, whom they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will. And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, Coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
 
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Crucifixion

The movie trailer shows Jesus carring the entire cross and as I posted earlier, I think that maybe this is a mistake.



As we look into the Passion of Christ, let us first focus at the practice of the crucifixion - the torture and execution of a person by fixation to a cross.



Apparently, the first known practice of crucifixion was by the Persians. Alexander and his generals brought it back to the Mediterranean world - to Egypt and to Carthage. The Romans apparently learned the practice from the Carthaginians and (as with almost everything the Romans did) rapidly developed a very high degree of efficiency and skill in carrying it out.



A number of Roman authors (Livy, Cicero, Tacitus) comment on it. Several innovations and modifications are described in the ancient literature. I will mention only a few which may have some bearing here.



The upright portion of the cross (or stipes) could have the crossarm (or patibulum) attached two or three feet below its top - this is what we commonly think of today as the classical from of the cross (the one which we have later named the Latin cross). However, the common form used in our Lord's day was the "tau" cross (shaped like the Greek capital - tau, = T).



In this form, the crossarm was placed in a notch at the tip of the stipes. there is fairly overwhelming archaeological evidence that it was on this type of cross that Jesus was crucified.



The upright post, or stipes, was generally permanently fixed in the ground at the site of execution; and the condemned man was forced to carry the crossarm, apparently weighing about one hundred and ten pounds, from the prision to the place of execution.



Herein lies a problem with the crucifixion of Jesus.

(1) Most prisioners that were crucified were not horribly beaten as was our Lord. i. e. the two thieves crucified next to him. (2) If the stipe was perminately placed in the ground as the archaeological evidence shows then "Simon" only carried the crossarm and Jesus struggled and crawled as he journeyed along the Via Dolorosa.



Without any historical or Biblical proof, Medieval and Renaissance painters have given us our picture of Chirst carrying the entire cross.



Many of these painters, and most of the scupltors of crucifixes today, also depict the nails throught the palms. Roman historical accounts and experimental work have shown that the nails were driven between the small bones of the wrists and not through the palms. Nails driven through the palms will strip out between the fingers when they support the weight of a human body.



Anatomists both modern and ancient, have always considered the wrists as part of the hand.



(much of the above was written by Dr. C. Truman Davis)

Lowell
 
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The Scourging

When people read about the scourging I don't think they realize what it entails. It is a terrible torcher. I will write in part from what Dr. C. Truman Davis wrote about it.



The scourging of Jesus:



Preparations for the scourging are carried out. The prisoner is stripped of His clothing, and His hands tied to a post above His head.



It is doubtful whether the Romans made any attempt to follow the Jewish law in this matter of scourging. Jesus received a scourging which had no specific count; (Jewish law was a max. beating of stripes of 39 lashes. ) Isa. 52:14 says ---" His visage (appearance) was so marred more than any man. --" This leads one to know that his beating was more horrible than anyone else had ever had. Hence, anyone having 39 lashes would have been marred but not like Jesus.



The Roman legionnaire steps forward with the flagrum (or Flagellum) in his hand. This is a short whip consisting of several heavy leather thongs, with two small balls of lead attached near the end of each.



The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across Jesus' shoulders, back and legs. At first the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then as the blows continue they cut deeper into the subcutaneous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally from vessels in the underlying muscles.



The small balls of lead first produce large, deep bruises which are broken open by subsequent blows. Finally, the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. When it is determined by the centurion in charge that the prisoner is near death, the beating is finally stopped.



The half-conscious Jesus is then untied and allowed to slump to the stone pavement, wet with His own blood. The Roman soldiers see a great joke in this provincial Jew claiming to be King, so they crown him with a crown of thorns, put a robe on him, smite him on head with a reed, and spit on him as they mockingly bowed their knees in worship to him.



Next time you see a picture of our Crucified Lord as he hangs gracefully there, looking like a pretty woman with a beard and just a trickle of blood coming down, you'll know the real story from the false.



And as was written before, He did this all for us. Amazing.



Lowell
 
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GUYS GUYS GUYS... ..... this is by NO means an attempt to flame either of you. to a certain extent i think that we are splitting hairs here just a tad. yes we NEED to know what He went thru for us. whether or not Mel got it exactly right is moot i feel. Mel has taken a BIG chance here and he is telling a story that needs telling as correctly as possible. even as it is this film WILL shock a whole lot of people.



this country and even the world has been crying out for something... . it doesn't know what . i think this movie will go a long way to providing it.



btw--the important things that Jesus carried to His crucifixtion were our sins... ... all of them.
 
Originally posted by tntway

GUYS GUYS GUYS... ..... this is by NO means an attempt to flame either of you. to a certain extent i think that we are splitting hairs here just a tad. yes we NEED to know what He went thru for us. whether or not Mel got it exactly right is moot i feel. Mel has taken a BIG chance here and he is telling a story that needs telling as correctly as possible. even as it is this film WILL shock a whole lot of people.



this country and even the world has been crying out for something... . it doesn't know what . i think this movie will go a long way to providing it.



btw--the important things that Jesus carried to His crucifixtion were our sins... ... all of them.



Sorry, I was by no means arguing with Deacon Wayne and I didn't take it he was with me. My intent was to point out some information that others who read these posts, may or may not know. Christianity has been washed down and sanitized for way to many years and this film is going to help immensely. Even some hymn books have taken out all of the songs about the Blood.



I too believe, if everything I've read about this film is true, that God did have a hand in it's making and that it may help lead people to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.



Again, I enjoyed Wayne's post as well as yours. No problems here and I hope I didn't offend anyone with mine.



Regards,

Lowell
 
believe me Lowell... . i have enjoyed and been mega moved by BOTH of you guys' posts. makes me want to see it all the more.



as an aside... . the set had not one but TWO lightning strikes during filming. NO injuries. tell me God wasn't at work there.



i also hear and agree wholeheartedly with the sanitizing of Christianity. might i suggest "When I Survey The Wondrous Cross"---kinda says it all.
 
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