The U.S Fish & Wildlife stepped on the wrong toes

[WyoJim]

Wolves are a big issue in Wyoming. The U. S. fish and wildlife having refused Wyomings Wolf Management plan have now been caught with four captured wolves while hiding on private property in the Big Horn Basin. Read about it.



http://www.codyenterprise.com/?search=go&o=0&l=&s=&r=&q=wolf

 

[TPCDrafting]

This is sickening.

I was recently reading about sightings of wolves in the Red Desert, the Sierra Madres and also the Snowy Mountain Range. I wonder now when the game and fish reports these sightings and telling us the wolves are naturally migrating out of Yellowstone is even true. We're talking about hundreds of miles. I don't ever under estimate mother nature, but after reading this, I wonder if these wolves are just being planted.

I feel sorry for the rancher who struggles to survive under normal circumstances, but when the US fish and Wildlife is quite possibly planting wolves right in their calving pastures, that's a slit to the throat.

I spend almost every weekend in the summer and fall camping, trail riding and hunting in these areas. I'll now have to account for sharing the woods with these predators as well.

 

[Crazy Horse]

Time to undo what is being done, sounds like to me.



Quietly.

 

[jandtjil]

Sounds funny! As funny as two guys standing in the bushes without a vehicle in sight, and 4 tranquized Wolves can sound.



JJ

 

[daveshoe]

Quietly

When a radio equipped animal ''assumes room temperature'' ,the tracking device puts out a special signal. I heard about a wolf in colorado that was chased all the way to Utah. Looks like he died on a train boxcar

 

[Mille4212]

Me personally, I hope the wolves migrate into Colorado and take care of the Sheep. As far as the ranchers go I don't feel a bit sorry for them. Thats the price of doing bussiness!!! They want to charge trespass fee's to hunt the State animals well I say, let the wolves run. And maybe the wolves can take the weak and sick out of the Deer and Elk herds too.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Me personally, I hope the wolves migrate into Colorado and take care of the Sheep. As far as the ranchers go I don't feel a bit sorry for them. Thats the price of doing bussiness!!! They want to charge trespass fee's to hunt the State animals well I say, let the wolves run. And maybe the wolves can take the weak and sick out of the Deer and Elk herds too. "



(SIGH!)



Spoken like a true city-slicker, who has never ranched/farmed, and hasn't a CLUE as to the risks and expenses involved - pity is, the cities are full of these "Bambi-lovers", have VOTES, but not a DIME (they THINK!) at risk when predators start destroying animals or crops - but let the price of meat or bread go up at the local market, and all Hell breaks loose...

 

[Vaquero]

"They want to charge trespass fee's to hunt the State animals well I say, let the wolves run. "



Are you saying that the public should be allowed to trespass on private lands and hunt?

If these damn environmentalists want these animals to thrive why don't they turn the wolves and prairie dogs loose in their back yards. I'm sure they'd love to eat the neighborhood pets and the lush green lawns.

 

[Rman]

I take part in prairie dog removal south of kemmerer on a regular basis Doing my part as a varminter... or maybe it's a cold blooded killer to the city folk

 

[mgoncalves]

Originally posted by renegade681

Me personally, I hope the wolves migrate into Colorado and take care of the Sheep. As far as the ranchers go I don't feel a bit sorry for them. Thats the price of doing bussiness!!! They want to charge trespass fee's to hunt the State animals well I say, let the wolves run. And maybe the wolves can take the weak and sick out of the Deer and Elk herds too.

You must not own any land





Matt

 

[Mille4212]

Oh I'm sorry guys I forgot since you own the land you own the animals on it too. Its kinda funny I can ask a land owner to hunt small game, upland birds or even big game and all I get is NO or its gonna cost you a 1000 dollar trespass fee. But you don't have a problem if I want to shoot coyote's or prairie dog's. I say you get what you deserve. And yes I am a bambi lover when its on my plate. As far as turning wolves and praire dogs loose here in town go for it maybe the can get rid of the SOB cats and yapping poodles.

 

[Sled Puller]

Can someone explain to me when the state claimed ownership on the animals?



A hunting permit does give you the right to trespass. Slob hunters have ruined it for many. Think about that the next time you throw your ciggarrette butt or popcan down.

 

[A Johnson]

Renegade, do you own any land? Do you pay taxes on it? Is your local Goverment threatening to raise your taxes simply because you don't make enough agricultural income due to market conditions to keep it as Ag land on the tax rolls, even though it really is Ag land and will never build a home on it? Mine does. If I want to charge you money that is my business, and my right.



Having said that I only have 13 acres, for the last three years I have posted a sign saying, hunters welcome, ask first, or be prosecuted. Guess what, no one has asked, but a few have shot deer from the county road (toward a house) and acted like it was just fine. Good greif, think about how you would feel when some one pulls up, blasts the animals you've been feeding for years and then gets p. o. ed when the land owner calls the game warden. ( Its illegal here to shoot from the road, or trespass by crossing any noticeable boundry, posted or not. )



A Johnson

 

[mgoncalves]

Renegade,



Try looking at things from the landowners perspective. How would you like it if anyone and everyone could just wander around your backyard with guns?



Growing up on my parents ranch, I have seen some real careless people with that same attitude. We had several people that claim they had a "right" to hunt our land because the previous owner let them for the last ten years. It's really sad that some people think they deserve to walk all over people with private land. I've caught poachers in our hay fields that border the blm, imagine how scary it is when you're 15 and they're are people with guns totally ignoring you and telling you to get lost, on YOUR OWN PROPERTY.



The worse part of all of that, my dad would let anyone cross through, or hunt the hay fields that weren't close to the house, All they had to do was ask.



You go buy your dream acreage, and I'll be there with my hunting permit ready to demand my "right" to trash your land. I'd bet you change your tune then .





Matt

 

[Rman]

renegade you better stay living in the city. If you ever try any of this crap in a small town, you'd get strung up and beat to death. Your comments remind me of a foolish teenager on a mission to be stupid, just to go against the grain.

 

[Mille4212]

Yeah you guys are correct I don't have the right to just hunt your land. But when you get crop damage and Who pays for that, yeah the tax payers. Then you want to charge trespass fee too yeah thats real fair. Then it comes down to the fact that when hunting season starts you can heard the animals to keep them on your land for your paying customers is that right? I have never hunted privite land with out permission and never will. But just don't expect me to shoot a worthless dog without being able to harvest something worth putting on the table. Plus I know here on the plains the government gives you money to put your ground into the CRP too. And as far as taxes go I'll bet your paying less in taxes then what I pay living in denver.

 

[GiesJ]

Renegade -

just a suggestion - Offer the land owners you wish to hunt on your time when they are the busiest - Calving season. Go out and offer to help brand. "Pay" your trespass fee in sweat. Get a feel for how tough it is to make it only ranching. While there, keep your dang mouth shut about wolves. Even though Denver is in the Rockies, you are a city boy to them and until you can appreciate their situation just keep quiet. My family farms and although I've never ranched, I've pulled my fair share to have the opportunity to hunt private land.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, just trying to shed light on this in a different way.

Thanks for listening,

Jason

 

[PLaFrombois]

It's common sense to ask permission to hunt on private property. As a Hunter's Ed instructor, that and firearm safety are what I stress more than anything during class. Hunting rights are being lost more than ever, because people don't take the time to know where they're hunting. Being a "Responsible Hunter" is becoming a lost art.



GiesJ your comment about branding calves brings back a memory of my first trip praire dog hunting in South Dakota. Four of us from work took a long weekend and drove to SD. We couldn't find anyone home to ask about taking care of their praire dog problems. While we fixed brats in the parking lot of the hotel, we met a rancher that lived just outside of town with a praire dog problem. He met us the next day and showed us a couple of towns that needed cleaning up. After two days of shooting, we helped him brand and innoculate about 50 calves. It was so funny watching my co-workers wrestle those calves and hold them for their procedures. Of course, my riding partner had to change his clothes before he could ride in my truck on the way back to town.



Paul

 

[Vaquero]

Originally posted by renegade681

But when you get crop damage and Who pays for that, yeah the tax payers.

Yeah the tax payers pay for it when the federal government declares it a natural disaster. Just like when the mid west floods, the coasts get hit with a hurricane, when the mudslides happen in California, etc. Other than that we pay insurance for crop damage.



"Plus I know here on the plains the government gives you money to put your ground into the CRP too. "



This was brought about because of the dust bowl, farmers in those days plowed under land that shouldn't have been disturbed. What is considered to be a high erosion risk, the government decided that they should compensate the farmers for taking that land back out of production. Personally I don't like the CRP program, but we all know how hard it is to get rid of a government program once it's started, they are self-perpetuating



"And as far as taxes go I'll bet your paying less in taxes then what I pay living in Denver. "



The reason we are paying less taxes than you in Denver is because we are barely getting by every year. The majority of farmers and ranchers in the business today are breaking even or worse. As far as real estate taxes go, yes you pay more per measure of land but that is because you get paved roads, city water, sewer, energy, etc without having to pay for these things being put on your property. However in "rural" areas it is the land owners that pay for the schools and local government services, the vast majority of money that pays for this comes from the farmers and ranchers.



Sorry had to get that off my chest, Kris



By the way, if someone comes to the door and asks to hunt in a curteous way and I have a good feeling about them they are more than welcome to hunt. I just can't stand rude people that expect to be given everything.

 

[BCook1]

CRP

One of these days, the federal government will realize that they can buy land for a lot less than they spend on the CRP program. Then they will begin buying land and returning it to federal control. The tax base will go down in rural areas and the demise of rural areas will accelerate. Wait, what am I saying. A federal program that looks at saving money??? It will never happen. Nothing to worry about.