this G56 / NV5600 crap is getting old

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#@$%! I'm really sick and tired of reading threads where someone is asking questions about his G56 equipped truck and someone always feels the need to post something to the effect of "your G56 is trash, should have got a NV5600".



It takes the thread off topic and makes things difficult for the original poster to get anything useful out of the thread.



So, how's about keeping these threads focused and try to help out our fellow TDR members.



Sean

 

[jwilliams3]

I drove a G56 a couple days ago that had a TST and stock clutch.

That thing can SHIFT!!

 

[RockinJ]

Just picked up an '05 with a G-56 last week . . . no complaints here! Clutch action and shifts feel great!

 

[JTryles]

#@$%! I'm really sick and tired of reading threads where someone is asking questions about his G56 equipped truck and someone always feels the need to post something to the effect of "your G56 is trash, should have got a NV5600".



It takes the thread off topic and makes things difficult for the original poster to get anything useful out of the thread.



So, how's about keeping these threads focused and try to help out our fellow TDR members.



Sean

I agree! Like it or hate it... the NV5600 is GONE and no amount of whining will bring it back. Wouldn't it be grand if the G56 turns out to be all that the 5600 was and more? If it doesn't... I can guarantee that the aftermarket will have soem answers.

 

[Chaw]

I have over 6K on mine now and it has not blown up yet. If I had 5800 posts, I would sure be scared. :-laf I have owned a NV4500, NV5600, and drove a 05 NV5600 the day I bought the G56. Time will tell.

 

[67guzzler]

#@$%! I'm really sick and tired of reading threads where someone is asking questions about his G56 equipped truck and someone always feels the need to post something to the effect of "your G56 is trash, should have got a NV5600".



It takes the thread off topic and makes things difficult for the original poster to get anything useful out of the thread.



So, how's about keeping these threads focused and try to help out our fellow TDR members.



Sean

Sorry dude. Hey I hope it's ok to share the my initial quality experiences with people who have NOT bought yet. Just trying to save them from some possible frustration. I think that my driveline is improper and the G-56 may be involved. For people who already have a G-56 and they're happy, I'm envious and don't think their G-56 is trash and hope to be situated as they are in short order. But if someone hasn't bought one yet and they're asking about the dual mass flywheel, overall longevity or initial problems, then I feel a duty to speak up.

 

[fkovalski]

The '05 that I just picked up has the new transmission. I previously had the 5 spd on the '01 that I traded. I am still getting used to the extra gear (I end up putting it in 6th when I want reverse and find my self revving high R's then realize I have an extra gear :-laf )



I do notice a lot more drive train/ transmission play in this one as was brought up in previous threads. Is it normal or do I just have to get used to this one? Time will tell, but I will bring it to the attention of the techs when I bring it in to the dealer for some "We Owe's. " I'll be curious the hear what they say.



Overall I do have to get used to a 3G "car" feel as opposes to the 2G "truck. " This one is very civilized.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

JEEZE - this thread sounds LOTS like the GM and ford faithful that whine "let's not allow ANY negative comments or experiences about our SUPERIOR trucks, wouldn't wanna give the impression there could be ANY flaws in our revered trucks... "



Like it - or NOT - board's greatest potential benefit to current and potential owners is the SHARING of experiences - both good AND bad - after all, if weaknesses and failures are NOT discussed freely, HOW can upgrades or fixes be made - how can you fix a "perfect" product. Or one that has it's weaknesses deliberately kept quiet?



AS to the guys (like some of the Ford and GM faithful!) who pop up claiming - "well gee, mine made it all the way home from the dealership with NO problems", or " I have 2000 miles on mine, and NO failures yet", jeeze, give us a BREAK!



Sure, I hate to keep hearing about VP-44 and lift pump problems on the 24 valve 2nd generation trucks too - but do you REALLY think the excellent modifications, aftermarket LP's and other various fixes would have occurred IF those weaknesses had been constantly covered up, denied and hidden?



I've LEARNED from those VP-44 threads - maybe some of you 3rd gennie owners will learn from G56 issues too, if you open your eyes and minds...

 

[Mingoglia]

For a change in the whine... I actually like the NV4500 better than the 5600... but I haven't driven a G56 yet. If anyone remembers, the 5600 was on restriction because of problems when it first came out... some of the early 5600's were some of the worst shifting trucks I've driven... . they went on restriction, and the problem was eventuall fixed... . give it some time.



I agree that many of the problems could really be pointed at the driveline... it's a little more than a coincidence that Dodge is also having vibration issues... IMHO.



Anyway, the extra gear is nice, but I still prefer the 4500... it can be shifted like a half ton, and it still holds up to the power.



Mike

 

[msperos]

Gary be constructive then... You should know how much help it is to have other people with the same problems. I just got this truck(600 miles down) I'm just learning it's quirks after have my 24valve for the last 5 years. You have been a source of great information to the 24valve crowd. I'm sure you got ****** when the 12valve guy's would chime in on what a crap fuel system we have( on the 24valve) SO let the people trying this new transmission see what we have. Don't slam it, we know we will have growing pains and look forward to advice from people. But make it advice not snippy comments... ... ... I would have loved to have gotten the NV5600 transmission, But there were none in a dually that I could find. Gary I've been on here for many years, I remember you from way back lets keep helping each other, We don't know what is in store with these transmission's but a few of us are taking one for the team and getting these sorted out..... Rant over



Mark( former 24valve 5spd owner)

( beta tester for the G56)

let the games begin

 

[nickleinonen]

but I still prefer the 4500... it can be shifted like a half ton, and it still holds up to the power.

i have never driven a nv4500 trans, but my 5600 shifts nicely... i can shift it almost as quick as i could the nv3500 i had in my 03 1500 ram...

 

[JTryles]

JEEZE - this thread sounds LOTS like the GM and ford faithful that whine "let's not allow ANY negative comments or experiences about our SUPERIOR trucks, wouldn't wanna give the impression there could be ANY flaws in our revered trucks... "



Like it - or NOT - board's greatest potential benefit to current and potential owners is the SHARING of experiences - both good AND bad - after all, if weaknesses and failures are NOT discussed freely, HOW can upgrades or fixes be made - how can you fix a "perfect" product. Or one that has it's weaknesses deliberately kept quiet?



AS to the guys (like some of the Ford and GM faithful!) who pop up claiming - "well gee, mine made it all the way home from the dealership with NO problems", or " I have 2000 miles on mine, and NO failures yet", jeeze, give us a BREAK!



Sure, I hate to keep hearing about VP-44 and lift pump problems on the 24 valve 2nd generation trucks too - but do you REALLY think the excellent modifications, aftermarket LP's and other various fixes would have occurred IF those weaknesses had been constantly covered up, denied and hidden?



I've LEARNED from those VP-44 threads - maybe some of you 3rd gennie owners will learn from G56 issues too, if you open your eyes and minds...

I don't think he was commenting on those that DO own a G-56 and that DO have problems... I think he was more making a point about those that do NOT own a G-56 and like to cry wolf?



IMHO- I think it's perfectly fine for the G56 owners to point out what they have found to be good AND bad. I also think it's fine for fellow TDR members to point out what experiences others have had or to make comments on the technology that D/C is using (like the dual mass clutch). However, the "your G-56 is junk you shoulda bought a NV5600" posts are not at all productive or helpful in any way to anyone.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"I'm sure you got ****** when the 12valve guy's would chime in on what a crap fuel system we have( on the 24valve)"



Not at all - and THAT is exactly my point!



I, and others like me, would have been total idiots to have denied the CLEARLY KNOWN issues with the VP-44 and lift pumps - and subsequently LOST the research, testing and development of work-arounds that can eliminate or greatly lessen those problems.



We BENEFITTED from exposing, discussing and theorizing about those issues, and possible CURES.



Now, fact is, *I* still have my original LP and VP-44 after 3 years and 40,000 miles - no problems at all, even with the Comp installed and pump wire pierced - so is it rational that I stand on a platform and pronounce that there ARE no issues with the VP-44 fuel system simply because *mine* is fine?



On the contrary, it's quite possible mine IS fine because of "fixes" I have installed that arose OUT OF those free open discussions of problems!



And no, I for one, do NOT think a guy is unqualified to criticise or comment upon the VP-44 or LP simply because "he doesn't even OWN one"!



Enough IS known about those fuel systems - and the smouldering issues with the G56 that you don't HAVE to own one to be aware of them, any more than you need to smack yourself on the thumb with a sledge hammer to know it's gonna HURT!

 

[JTryles]

And no, I for one, do NOT think a guy is unqualified to criticise or comment upon the VP-44 or LP simply because "he doesn't even OWN one"!

I agree... but ONLY if said guy is doing the criticising or commenting based on facts and/or IMFORMED opinion. To tell a guy that his "g-56 is a piece of junk, shoulda got a 5600" just because is sounds good coming out of his mouth is not at all what I would call helpful. It would be like a 1st gen'er pointing his finger at you and saying "that VP44 is a piece of junk, shoulda got a 1st gen truck". That wouldn't have helped you out at all would it? I DO think it's good to bring out what is BAD about our trucks and to discuss what can be done to improve them... I think hiding it or pretending they are perfect is counterproductive. I guess I agree with you Gary... I just don't like the juvenile finger pointing and gesturing that takes place sometimes (not that it is too bad here in the 3G area... take a look over in the Comp forum- those guys musta grew up driving Chevy's- they act like little kids over there). I think that is what the original poster of this thread was trying to get at also??

 

[MickeyMiller]

I like my 5600 but I'm not sure why I need 6 speeds. I really think this Cummins would do really well with a 3 speed... ...



You only need gears because you don't have enough engine... ...

 

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Looks like there has been some misunderstanding of my original post in this thread.



Jtryles, thank you, THIS is precisely what I'm talking about:

... ... . IMHO- I think it's perfectly fine for the G56 owners to point out what they have found to be good AND bad. I also think it's fine for fellow TDR members to point out what experiences others have had or to make comments on the technology that D/C is using (like the dual mass clutch). However, the "your G-56 is junk you shoulda bought a NV5600" posts are not at all productive or helpful in any way to anyone.

 

[Lane]

What Kind of Transmission

Just bought an 05 Cummins with 6 speed transmission. Any idea which model the transmission is and who makes it? Thanks

 

[fkovalski]

Just bought an 05 Cummins with 6 speed transmission. Any idea which model the transmission is and who makes it? Thanks

From my ubderstanding and correct me if I'm wrong, but- When I got mine this past week it listed on the sticker words to the effect: "Heavy Duty Transmission" then listed the option price. I think that there is no upcharge for the 5600. Again- correct me if this is untrue.

Also- the 56 is an aluminum case- take a peek underneath.

-frank.

 

[Tim]

I like my 5600 but I'm not sure why I need 6 speeds. I really think this Cummins would do really well with a 3 speed... ...



You only need gears because you don't have enough engine... ...

No, you need gears because the Cummins has a very narrow powerband compared to other engines, especially compared to a gasoline engine. Semi trucks have gobs of torque... and gobs of gears. Gears DO multiply power, but their main job is to keep the engine at an efficient RPM where enough horsepower is generated to move the load at the desired speed.

 

[Tim]

G-56, reverse down and to the left



NV 5600, reverse up and to the right