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When do you guys change tires... ... at what tread depth... . and it depends largely IMO on when the tires start to go down..... for example I feel a lot better at running low tread tires when its the beginning of summer instead of winter.....

From Tire Rack. .

Tests conducted by Tire Rack provide compelling results that favor the switch.

Using brand new tires with 10/32nds tread, worn tires at 4/32nds and legally worn-out tires at 2/32nds, the test consisted of 70 mph runs with a passenger car and pickup truck. Each run ended with a panic stop on asphalt covered by 0. 05 inches of water, equivalent to a moderate rain shower.

With new tires, the car traveled 195 feet before coming to a stop; with worn tires (4/32nds), it went 290 feet. The same vehicle with worn-out 2/32nds tires traveled 379 feet, nearly doubling the stopping distance of the new-tire-equipped car. The eye-opener, says Rogers, was discovering that the sedan with 2/32nds tread was still going 44 mph when it reached the final stopping point of the 4/32nds-equipped vehicle.

The pickup truck test provided longer stopping distances but similar ratios, and the pickup with worn-out tires was still going 47 mph when it passed the stopping point of the 4/32nds-equipped truck. A video of the tests is available at tirerack.com by searching “panic stopping. ”

Based on the tests, Tire Rack began recommending that drivers consider replacing their tires at 4/32nds tread. Rogers said customers may contend the company desires to drum up extra business, but viewing the tread depth video and determining if drivers will face wet driving conditions usually wins their confidence.

He explains that 2/32nds may be acceptable for an Arizona customer. However, if rain is common at the locale, then 4/32nds is appropriate for replacement. Similarly, snow, winter or all-season tires should be considered for replacement if only 6/32nds remain when heading into winter.
 
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I just replaced a set of tires on my '07 that could have gone another 10K or more if it were not heading in to winter. There's nothing worse than half shot tires on ice.
 
I spent most of today taking inventory on tires at work. 32 tires in 15" and 16" size that were below 6/32" and will be replaced in the upcoming week. Most people would not replace, but through experience, I have found the above statement to be accurate (not waiting until you get to the wear bars).

Our 19. 5, 22. 5, and 24. 5 tires (96 of them!) thankfully are all well within spec due to our regrooving policy. I've regrooved more than half of them and will be doing at least 10 more before the snow flies.

Tread depth is crucial, and so is siping. What I'd love to see in the test performed by Tire Rack, is the effect siping has on half worn tires. I have personally siped a few sets of tires at work and have been blown away by the results! Siping tires that already have sipes won't give you much improvement, but when the rubber blocks in the tread are smooth, siping makes a huge difference.
 
Id have to say the best snow tire Ive had to date are the Wintermarks. Loud as all get out, but they wear exceptionally well and bite down in the snow pack like a cat hangin from a curtain. I just put a set of Firestone snow tires (cant remember the name off hand) on the wifes trailblazer. They have a very tight center pattern so they should wear well on the pavement but are pretty aggressive towards the outer edge of the tread pattern. After having two days of 80 degree weather its hard to believe snow season is right around the corner. :confused:
 
I spent most of today taking inventory on tires at work. 32 tires in 15" and 16" size that were below 6/32" and will be replaced in the upcoming week. Most people would not replace, but through experience, I have found the above statement to be accurate (not waiting until you get to the wear bars).

Our 19. 5, 22. 5, and 24. 5 tires (96 of them!) thankfully are all well within spec due to our regrooving policy. I've regrooved more than half of them and will be doing at least 10 more before the snow flies.

Tread depth is crucial, and so is siping. What I'd love to see in the test performed by Tire Rack, is the effect siping has on half worn tires. I have personally siped a few sets of tires at work and have been blown away by the results! Siping tires that already have sipes won't give you much improvement, but when the rubber blocks in the tread are smooth, siping makes a huge difference.

You are so right... I just had my M55's siped as they are at 7 BUT they have a huge Center BLOCK that is solid rubber at 7... . it essentially seperates the tire at that point... .
 
I am looking to replace mine as I'm going to the snow belt in a month. mine are at between 4-5/32's and I would feel better with new tires. they are already trying to hydroplane when we get those afternoon showers that Florida is famous for. I was gonna get the Michelin LTX m/s2. Is there a possible better tire ?
 
im sort of ocd when it comes to tires... . I like them in good shape, and dont wait to long before i change them... usually several thousand before most people... and I always get a kick at looking at others tire condition's... . just one of those things i like to observe while im sitting at a stop light and such..... its amazing with this economy what people are using for tires..... bald/ slicks... don't know if it is ignorance or just a financial issue..... but I usually speed up in front of them... .
 
im sort of ocd when it comes to tires... . I like them in good shape, and dont wait to long before i change them... usually several thousand before most people... and I always get a kick at looking at others tire condition's... . just one of those things i like to observe while im sitting at a stop light and such..... its amazing with this economy what people are using for tires..... bald/ slicks... don't know if it is ignorance or just a financial issue..... but I usually speed up in front of them... .

Probably a little of both. But right now, I would think that there are a fair number of people who try and stretch things like tires as long as possible due to financial concerns. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there were quite a few thousand miles left on the tires I just replaced on my truck. The owner of the mom and pop tire shop I use mentioned that he would probably have those gone in a day or two. He apparently has a record number of people looking for good used tires to get them around for a few months. I guess I need a reminder to be thankful for what we have every once in a while.
 
Id have to say the best snow tire Ive had to date are the Wintermarks. Loud as all get out, but they wear exceptionally well and bite down in the snow pack like a cat hangin from a curtain. I just put a set of Firestone snow tires (cant remember the name off hand) on the wifes trailblazer. They have a very tight center pattern so they should wear well on the pavement but are pretty aggressive towards the outer edge of the tread pattern. After having two days of 80 degree weather its hard to believe snow season is right around the corner. :confused:

Are those called Firestone Winterforce by chance? I had a set of those on our old Cherokee at one point. Amazing on ice and packed snow. Definately not a tire to run in warm weather however. They wear very quickly on dry pavement.
 
I am looking to replace mine as I'm going to the snow belt in a month. mine are at between 4-5/32's and I would feel better with new tires. they are already trying to hydroplane when we get those afternoon showers that Florida is famous for. I was gonna get the Michelin LTX m/s2. Is there a possible better tire ?

Michelin LTX ms2 is simply an awesome tire, unless you need to cross muddy fields often. Very good in snow with some extra weight in the bed, and nothing better on wet or dry roads. If you are looking for an aggressive looking tire, or one in a larger size than stock, Michelin won't do.
Another great tire that I've been very happy with is the Nitto DuraGrapplers. You can get them in larger sizes than Michelin, and in Load Range E.
 
I am looking to replace mine as I'm going to the snow belt in a month. mine are at between 4-5/32's and I would feel better with new tires. they are already trying to hydroplane when we get those afternoon showers that Florida is famous for. I was gonna get the Michelin LTX m/s2. Is there a possible better tire ?



Michelin LTX ms2 is simply an awesome tire, unless you need to cross muddy fields often. Very good in snow with some extra weight in the bed, and nothing better on wet or dry roads. If you are looking for an aggressive looking tire, or one in a larger size than stock, Michelin won't do.

Another great tire that I've been very happy with is the Nitto DuraGrapplers. You can get them in larger sizes than Michelin, and in Load Range E.
 
Are those called Firestone Winterforce by chance? I had a set of those on our old Cherokee at one point. Amazing on ice and packed snow. Definately not a tire to run in warm weather however. They wear very quickly on dry pavement.



Yes they are I went out and checked earlier. They look like they should do very well. The wife really only runs the trailblazer in the winter months she has a mustang she drives through the summer so the blazer sits 7 or 8 months out of the year. She has a commute of around 40 miles each way and we live near lake erie and can get blasted with lake effect snow with little warning. So even though she may put some miles on dry pavement I feel much better putting a tire like that on as opposed to an all season. The fact it is parked so much buys me alot of time as well. The last set lasted 3 winters if it was my vehicle I would have gotten another winter out of them but I feel much better putting her in a vehicle with some meat bieng put to the ground. Its a good peace of mind for her as well she noticed a big difference in the handling in bad weather the first year I put snow tires on.
 
I am looking to replace mine as I'm going to the snow belt in a month. mine are at between 4-5/32's and I would feel better with new tires. they are already trying to hydroplane when we get those afternoon showers that Florida is famous for. I was gonna get the Michelin LTX m/s2. Is there a possible better tire ?



If you are looking for an aggressive tire, take a look at the duratracs by goodyear. I run them as my primary tire I am often on oil lease roads and open fields. I have a friend who owns a company he lays gas line from new wells to the tank farms and sets them up and does alot of pushing too. I will help him for a few months in the spring when he is real busy I mainly haul pipe and occasionaly the seperators and tanks for new locations and sometimes if hes really short Ill run a hoe or a trencher for him. Alot of these new locations are not established and Im often on soft ground and the duratracs are amazing. Sometimes I almost forget Im in a 7k pound truck :rolleyes: sometimes I get myslf in trouble too! They are a great off road tire they do very well in the snow and with just under 25k on them they are still at half tread and wearing flat as a board. At this rate Ill probably get 40 - 45k out of them. That may not seem like much but for what I do with them Im satisfied with that. If I didnt run dirt roads so much and pull 7k pound trailers offroad Im sure they would last longer. Given the abuse theyve taken I couldnt expect too much more from them
 
I decided to go with the LTX M/S 2 tires. . getting them installed Tues am - all 6, mount, balance, road hazard, and lifetime rotation for $1649. 00 The last time i bought tires (2008), the LTX M/S were 1200 out the door. . a $450 increase :(
 
I decided to go with the LTX M/S 2 tires. . getting them installed Tues am - all 6, mount, balance, road hazard, and lifetime rotation for $1649. 00 The last time i bought tires (2008), the LTX M/S were 1200 out the door. . a $450 increase :(



Ouch! I had heard from a friend who owns a small automotive repair shop that tire prices were going to jump by 30 percent over the summer. That was another reason I bought the new snow tires for the wifes car this spring before parking it. I guess he was right #@$%!
 
Maybe because commercial truck tires (19. 5,22. 5,24. 5") have more rubber than our truck tires, the price of those tires has doubled since 2010!!! 225/70/19. 5 tires in 2010 were right around $230. Today, they are $400-$500 installed depending on manufacturer and design.
Not fun.
 
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