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I feel confident about doing a fuel injector replacement on my own, but one tool I feel like I need, but can't find, is the fuel injector TUBE remover. Dodge Service has directed me to Snap-On, but they sell only a kit - for $800! A Matco guy sent me today to a local Diesel shop. Sure enough, the guy had the Snap-On kit, but its removal tool didn't look like it'd fit to #6 very well (it had a l-o-n-g handle, and very little swivel). What's the best way to pull that thing out [part way, per the SM]? It's held in only by an o-ring, so it couldn't be very tight. I just didn't want to booger up the threads - they connect to the high pressure fuel line.

BTW, the guy at the Diesel shop said he hardly EVER has anyone bring in a Dodge Cummins with problems - but he sees Chebbys n Pherds all the time!

Plug time: Rammers gathering in Tulsa January 29th. See http://www.webwhims.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000011.html .

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Bruce Reynolds - Y2K 2500 QC 4X4 Sport, black 3. 54 auto, EVERY option but Cab Lights. Lots of extras. Performance mods coming SOON.
 
This may sound terribly unsophisticated, but I just used small needle-nosed pliers. The tube just sits there, and once you move the injector line out of the way, reach in with the needle-nose and pull the tube out about 1/2-3/4 inch - just enough to pull it away from the injector.

Craig
 
Thanks, Craig. But having never been this deep into an engine before, is there any chance that simply using the needle nose could hurt a thread or anything? Quite obviously you and several others have been successful at this. I guess I'm just looking for that warm fuzzy that I'm not going to mess anything up.
 
I don't have the service manual at hand at the moment, but it lists Miller Specialty Tools in (?) Michigan. I ordered the connector tube remover and injector remover from them a couple of weeks ago. The connector tube remover was $6 or so.

I did here from one member that they belive they induced a leak by using a needle nose. Not that you need either tool (see the Diesel Dynamics website for great instructions), but I'm one of those who seems to attract Mr. Murphy's attention unless I am blatently over-prepared.

Oh, if you call your local Dodge parts department, they should be able to give you the number for Miller.
 
We bought the puller and the tube remover from our local friendly Dodge dealer. The puller for the injectors is simple and could be done without, if you have a bolt to put in and just pry it out or pull it out.

The tube remover is a short, threaded device that screws onto the end of the tube and has a knurled grip to pull it out.

Both of these tools have Miller Tool numbers. I'm sure that OTC has them too.

As I recall, the set is less than $100.

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Lost your PSD? Look under my tires...

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Fellows, folks, ladies and gentlemen. No special tools are required. Pull the aluminum intake elbow to enhance clearance to the #2 injector line. Use one of the 4 bolts to screw into the top of the injector, now using a "L" shaped prybar, rest it on the top of the rocker and slip the short end of the lever under the hex cap of the bolt. Apply exactly the right amount of pressure on the prybar and WOO HOO, pops right out. Actually the injectors can be pulled by hand, I have done this with a bolt screwed into the top of the injector. The interior lines just need to be completly loosened and when you are ready to pull the injector, pull or pry the line back 1/4 inch to allow the injector to be pulled past without interference from the fuel line.
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!(-)! Special tool required for injector replacement!

[This message has been edited by HVAC (edited 01-14-2000). ]
 
Tulsa,
Don't fret about the threads on the fuel injector tube. I used a small screwdriver on each side of the tube and walked them right out. The fuel injector lines do not thread onto the tubes, they thread into the head. Those are the threads you need to worry about.

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98 SWB QC ISB A/T Metallic Red w/ tan cloth interior, 275 h. p. injectors, Monroe Gas Magnums, Armor Tuff spray in bed liner, Goodyear Wrangler ATS 285/75r/16.
 
Absolutely... Pull the tubes OUT... Please.

For one, if you have an early engine, they actually need to be replaced. The newer ones (and replacements) are multi-use. Besides, it's a great idea to check those o-rings to make sure they aren't rolled or anything, because if they are... leak leak leak. . engine oil. If you damage the tube on the inside, it will leak and not be seen. However, it will eventually erode to the point you have a misfire. Then, you'll have to replace both the injector and the tube.

Dang... I'm getting preachy tonight... guess I'll go to bed. Have a great weekend everyone #ad




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You should never use a preposition to end a sentence with.
This problem requires congressional action.
5 out of 4 people are mathematically challenged.

'65 Power Wagon. 318, 4 speed, Crew Cab. Nope, not diesel - can't afford it. Need fuel system questions answered? Ask me, I work on them.
 
Thanks, everybody! Since I have a week before I do the install (bmann just shipped my injectors yesterday - thanks, Ben!), I'll try to get with Miller Specialty Tools to get that tube remover. I've tools enough for everything else. (JohnMC, I'm with you on the Murphy aspect of this... )

Power Wagon, my local friendly Dodge dealer said, "No way, Jose", when I tried to get the tool from them. 'Told me to go to Snap-On. With 2700 miles now, I don't think I have too much to worry about with the injector tube o-ring. I hope I'm right there.

Ram_Kowboy, I wasn't aware that the fuel tubes did not thread onto the injector tube. From the service manual it certainly looked as if they did, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how they were held in! Now I know. Thanks!

I don't know where I'd be without the help of you guys on this forum. Other than a little better off money-wise, that is...



[This message has been edited by Tulsa618 (edited 01-15-2000). ]
 
We use 90 degree bent needle nose pliers, but I should caution everyone, Do Not stick the needle nose pliers in the center of the tube, it will scratch the sealing surface and cause a leak, grab around the outside of the tube you can't hurt anything that way.

Ted Jannetty

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Ted Jannetty, Owner President Jannetty Racing Enterprises Inc.
97 3500 4x4 club cab 5spd. JRE stage 3 power kit, JRE 4" exhaust
JRE 1/2 inch fuel system, Cummins 300 hp injectors, Prime loc,
Cummins chrome kit, US Gear 20% over drive, 3. 54 axle, 2 gauge
mount with 50 lb. boost gauge, BD exhaust brake.
 
Hmmmph. Your local friendly Dodge dealer needs a good spanking.

In any case, if you're interested, I'll look into getting a couple of the tube pullers in stock, for those of you who can't find them. They are nice, works WAY better than pliers. Perhaps the local friendly Dodge dealer was just returning some favor when they got us the ones we have. Maybe the boss got them somewhere else in the end, but I don't think so. . they had Chrysler lables on the bags they came in.

It's just about a 1 and 1/4 inches long, threaded on the end and it allows you to grab and pull the tubes cleanly.

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You should never use a preposition to end a sentence with.
This problem requires congressional action.
5 out of 4 people are mathematically challenged.

'65 Power Wagon. 318, 4 speed, Crew Cab. Nope, not diesel - can't afford it. Need fuel system questions answered? Ask me, I work on them.
 
Tomorrow bright and early, I am throwing in my RV injectors with no special tools. Got mine via bmann (thanks partner!) as well. Will report on the success of the project.

I appreciated Ram_Kowboy's comment about the injector lines being threaded only where they pass through the cyl. head. That wasn't totally clear to me.

I'm going to check/adjust valve lash while I have the valve cover off, might as well kill 2 birds while I'm at it!

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Vaughn MacKenzie

1998 3/4T Quad Cab 4x4, 24-valve, 5-speed w/3. 54 rear, White over Driftwood, Fog Lamps, Air Dam, Agate leather with most options.
245/75/16 Kelley Safari MSRs on M/T Classics, DeeZee running boards, diamond tread bedrail & tailgate protector.
55,560 miles (1/11/00)
 
Okey dokey, injectors have been successfully installed!

Here's the tools it took:

19mm open end wrench, to loosen fuel lines running throught the cylinder head
15mm socket, to remove valve cover and rear engine hoist bracket
10mm socket, to remove intake plenum
8mm socket, for injector hold-down brackets, and for fuel line brackets
8mm open end wrench, for hold-down and fuel line brackets not accessible with socket.
A prybar & something for leverage (you may have to get creative with this "tool. "

The whole process was easy, except most of my injectors were not willing to vacate their holes without a lot of persuasion.

I printed out Ram_Kowboy's directions he posted on 1/3/00 (not sure what thread) but here's what I went by (paraphrased with some of my own comments/suggestions)
1. Disconnect the intercooler hose to air intake plenum, then remove the plenum. Makes it much easier to reach cylinder #2. Put a rag in the hole to keep stuff out of the intake, and be careful of the heater grid & wiring.
2. Remove valve cover. First remove the rear hoist bracket from off the intake manifold. Then it is easy to remove the valve cover. Rock and slide it out toward the Driver's side. (others remove the hose to the heater, but then you have to deal with coolant--could be messy) When reinstalling, put the rear bolt in first because you can't once the valve cover is back in place. I left the hoist bracket off. Not planning to remove my engine anytime soon (but will keep it, just in case!!).
3. Break loose all the injector line nuts at the cylinder head. Then remove fuel line clamp at whatever cylinder you're working on, one at a time (makes sense to start at cyl #1!)
4. Unscrew cyl. head fitting and pull back out of the way just far enough so that you can back out the grey aluminum fuel delivery nozzle. Gently prying on this with a small flatblade screwdriver will loosen it, then it slides out easily. Just pull back an inch, don't remove. Be careful to not let dirt/debris get into this fitting!
5. Remove the injector retaining bar. Only loosen the rear bolt, and remove the front bolt and it slides right out.
6. Using a 10mmx1. 25 bolt from the air plenum, screw it into the injector to facilitate removal. Use something to gently pry on the bolt, to remove the injector*. Make sure the copper washer comes out with it.
7. Install new injector, making sure the port is facing the fuel line. A dab of grease can hold the copper washer in place, but they stayed on OK for me without grease. Wipe some engine oil on the large O-ring and stick it in. On cylinders 1-4, you can pop it into place with a small mallet (preferably a soft-blow), but on 5 & 6, I used the side of an end-wrench in the large slot at the top to rotate the injector while applying pressure to get it to slide on in. Also using this wrench, you can align the slot of the injector with the hold-down bolts for proper orientation. This makes it easier to reinstall the hold-down bar, and to properly seat the fuel delivery nozzle.
8. Reinstall hold-down bar. Press fuel delivery nozzle back into place (reposition fuel line against it and push, it will reseat easily). Screw the fuel line nut back into the cyl. head, making sure it screws in easily without excessive resistance or binding (verifies fuel delivery nozzle is seated OK).
9. Reinstall fuel line clamps. Clean up anything that may have gotten in the valvetrain area and intake. Reinstall valve cover, then intake plenum.
10. Fire it up! It will take several seconds of cranking and will run rough a couple seconds then smooth right out. It'll probably smoke a lot. Mine fogged the garage.
11. Check for leaks around the fuel lines, and you're done!!

*The most difficult part was removing the injectors. I ended up using the bracket from a puller, run the bolt through it that I screwed into the top of the injector, then leveraged it against the front injector hold-down bolt that I screwed back in with a deepwell socket on it. Then popped it a few times with a hammer. Email me if you want more details.

Hope this helps. If I've forgotten any details, I'll go back and edit this post.

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Vaughn MacKenzie

1998 3/4T Quad Cab 4x4, 24-valve, 5-speed w/3. 54 rear, White over Driftwood, Fog Lamps, Air Dam, Agate leather with most options.
245/75/16 Kelley Safari MSRs on M/T Classics, DeeZee running boards, diamond tread bedrail & tailgate protector.
55,715 miles (1/16/00)

BOMBING with 275HP INJECTORS


[This message has been edited by Vaughn MacKenzie (edited 01-16-2000). ]
 
Thanks, Vaughn, and congratulations on your successful install! With yours just added, I have about five different-but-similar sets of instructions that I will merge into a working guideline for my own feeble (and anticipated successful) attempt at injector installation this coming weekend. Man, I don't know where I'd be without the help from the experience and knowledge of you guys out there!
 
I'm ready to install my injectors as soon as they arrive. I want to adjust the valves at the same time. One problem , I've not found the sequence to adjust the valves. Can anyone post the sequence? I've tried rereading previous posts on this, but it seems they have all the info except the sequence.
Thanks , Bob

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99 3500 QC, white, 5sp, 3. 55lsd, isspro EGT & boost, stock, 28,800 miles 01-01-00- -EX phord owner
15-16. 5 MPG hwy ,14-15 city , 10-12 with 4,000lb TT
 
Bob, I offer this as a suggestion only, don't know the official doctrine. When I have done valve adjustments in the past on other engines, I would want the cylinder at TDC. So while turning the engine over watch for the intake valve to open and then bring the piston to the top. This requires an engine bump start tool which is a button connected to the starter selenoid. Or another way to slowly turn the engine over, such as a deep socket on the crank pulley. Cummins has some sort of kit for this but you may find it necessary to depreciate it over seven years if you know what I mean! #ad
 
Bob-TEXAS,

I checked my valve lash when installing my injectors this morning. I didn't follow any instructions--I used my own (but unconventional) approach:

Starting with cylinder #1 and working rearward, I wiggled each rocker arm/valve actuator, and feeler-gauged each one which moved freely (valve not in "open" position). I carefully documented the results on a sheet of paper. Any that did not move freely I skipped for the time being. Once I reached the last valve, I bumped the starter with the key so it turned over a couple compression strokes. I went back and rechecked the ones I skipped. Only had to bump the starter 3 times to get 'em all, and I double checked all of them to make sure none had been barely starting to open and would have given a false reading.

Note that the intake valves are the short rocker arms, and the long ones are the exhaust. Cummins nicely arranges them IE IE IE IE IE IE which makes it easy to keep track of what you're checking. When sliding the feeler gauge in, it helps to tip the little cup-looking actuator (at the top of the Y-shaped piece) so that you can slip it in there.

At 55,700 miles, mine were right on with each other. All the intakes checked at . 011" and the exhausts at . 019" so I didn't adjust any of them. The tolerances are stamped on the timing cover plate. I don't recall what the spec range is.

I wouldn't consider this the ideal approach, but I'm confident my readings were accurate and it was easy & quick to do.

Vaughn

BOMBING with 275 HP INJECTORS and the MacKENZIE VALVE-ADJUSTMENT PROCEDURE



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1998 3/4T Quad Cab 4x4, 24-valve, 5-speed w/3. 54 rear, White over Driftwood, Fog Lamps, Air Dam, Agate leather with most options.
Bosch RV Injectors
245/75/16 Kelley Safari MSRs on M/T Classics, DeeZee running boards, diamond tread bedrail & tailgate protector.
55,715 miles (1/16/00)



[This message has been edited by Vaughn MacKenzie (edited 01-16-2000). ]
 
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