Toyota to use Cummins in 2007?

[john3976]

I saw a thread about Toyota and a 3/4 and 1 Ton DRW truck on the www.RV.NET



According to some Toyota has a deal with Cummins for the Beloved I6 ISB engine.



I hope not, I hope Dodge is the only one to have this engine, I love my Cummins Dodge and would hate to see a bunch of Toyotas running around with Cummins power.



Do you think Dodge will be that dumb to lose the Cummins engine?

 

[Rescue Ram]

Toyota builds their own diesels. I don't see the benefit of outsourcing; but hey who knows?

 

[TDreiling]

Toyota builds their own diesels. I don't see the benefit of outsourcing; but hey who knows?

So does Mercedes. But they buy Cummins.

 

[DJamrose]

that's because cummins is what sells the dodge truck i wouldn't buy one if it didn't have a cummins

 

[nickleinonen]

So does Mercedes. But they buy Cummins.

DC also has ties with detroit diesel, and some others too [the one in the liberity]



somehow i don't see toyota making a full sized pickup that can handle 1300lbs wet engine hanging over the front axle...

 

[rbattelle]

somehow i don't see toyota making a full sized pickup that can handle 1300lbs wet engine hanging over the front axle...

Me neither. Cummins doesn't make engines in the "Toyota tradition"; too much heavy overbuilt iron in them.



Toyota knows it's customer base is NOT guys who tow big toys and haul big loads. Their customer base is "average" people and families who buy for commuting, light towing/hauling, and Toyota's reputation for long-term durability/reliability. In my opinion, if they offer a diesel option it'll be something built by a subsidiary and it'll be put into a lighter truck platform than the membership here would buy. Very much like the HD offerings from GM (carlike ride, IFS, lots of aluminum in the engine, very quiet, no stronger than it absolutely must be).



This is just my opinion - not based on any specific fact.



-Ryan

 

[Bertram65]

The Toyota's that come to the US are not the only ones they build, they make a great diesel engine in medium duty applications, if Toyota decides to make a HD truck with a diesel, it will probably be the best one out there.

 

[amsoilman]

I saw a thread about Toyota and a 3/4 and 1 Ton DRW truck on the www.RV.NET



According to some Toyota has a deal with Cummins for the Beloved I6 ISB engine.



I hope not, I hope Dodge is the only one to have this engine, I love my Cummins Dodge and would hate to see a bunch of Toyotas running around with Cummins power.



Do you think Dodge will be that dumb to lose the Cummins engine?

It's my understanding that Dodge has exclusive rights to the Cummins engine in the pickup truck market. This is why you have never seen any other pickup with the Cummins engine installed from the factory. There have been many pickup truck owners that have re-powered their truck with the Cummins engine however.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[nickleinonen]

i would not be surprized to see toyota come out with a brand new diesel engine for their pickup truck market... sub 6 liter displacment, high rpm [±5k] v8. . making 300/600 hp/trq... 32valve vgt charger cooled egr system. . don't know which type of injection sustem though. . hpcr would be the best choice, but they might go with EUI's just to be different, and if the charge pressure is high enough, they can work pretty well making emissions ratings work

 

[FATCAT]

Where is the story on RV.net???? I don't see it. The only thing about Toyota in there is about their recall of 2001 - 2004 trucks for ball joint problems.

 

[DBogo]

i dont see why toyota would use a cummins in there truck they got there own in house diesels the hinos and ford made some F350s back in the day with cat 3208s stuffed in em only for a few short years and the production was very limited

 

[Coolslice]

I had an employee of Toyota tell me that he had been told that Toyota was considering scrapping their plan for a diesel because of their anticipation that ULSD and emissions were going to make diesels too expensive to operate and too expensive to buy for most in the future. He said they were more than likely going to go with what he thought would be a 5. 6L gas/ hybrid motor. . It's no more then a rumor, but I thought it made good sense. . I know I agree with the theory.

 

[Regcabguy]

I can vouch for Toyota's reliability in the medium duty application. I work for a public agency here in San Diego and drive a Hino daily. With over 200,000 undermaintained,stop&go,no turbo cooldown miles on this thing, total repairs: leaky head gasket replaced,starter,ignition switch and three sets of brakes(front only). The Allison non-electronic, non-locking transmission shifts like the day it was new. I could use a steering box but they're too cheap to buy one. I agree with one of the aforementioned authors that EPA requirements will prevent Toyota from developing an affordable application for our usage.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Me neither. Cummins doesn't make engines in the "Toyota tradition"; too much heavy overbuilt iron in them.



Toyota knows it's customer base is NOT guys who tow big toys and haul big loads. Their customer base is "average" people and families who buy for commuting, light towing/hauling, and Toyota's reputation for long-term durability/reliability.



-Ryan

If Toyota puts a Cummins in their full-size pickups it certainly wouldn't be the ISB, most likely would be Cummins' 4. 2L V6 or 5. 6L V8, both of which only weigh a little more than similar displacement gas engines.



Vaughn

 

[rbattelle]

If Toyota puts a Cummins in their full-size pickups it certainly wouldn't be the ISB, most likely would be Cummins' 4. 2L V6 or 5. 6L V8, both of which only weigh a little more than similar displacement gas engines.



Vaughn

A good point; I had not even considered that.



-Ryan

 

[Rescue Ram]

So does Mercedes. But they buy Cummins.

Fair enough.

 

[Neibe]

i dont see why toyota would use a cummins in there truck they got there own in house diesels the hinos and ford made some F350s back in the day with cat 3208s stuffed in em only for a few short years and the production was very limited

What year to my knowledge Ford never had anything but an International under it's hood.

 

[DBogo]

it was back in the late 70's i have yet to find one but i read somwhere that they used a 3208 for a few years but didnt make very many of them at all

 

[Ol'TrailDog]

I seriously doubt that Toyota could get Ford to sell them any Cummins, be it a V6, V8, OR an I6.

 

[Neibe]

it was back in the late 70's i have yet to find one but i read somwhere that they used a 3208 for a few years but didnt make very many of them at all

That's news to me late 70's sound like the 6. 9 grenade motors.