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Tonight I installed my new TP bypass filter in conjunction with an oil change. As promised in this thread, I am posting my installation procedure here. Some useful pics follow this post.



First off, I bought a Motor Guard filter from Ralph Wood. This has NOTHING to do with any particular preference for the Motor Guard vs. the Frantz! I just decided to buy the Motor Guard instead. Both use a toilet paper element. The primary difference is that the Motor Guard case splits 1/2 way, whereas the Frantz case comes off the base as one piece. In this write-up I mention several companies. I do this only to provide those unfamiliar with where to get some of the supplies a means of getting them.



Installation begins with a selection of appropriate pipe fittings and hydraulic hose. I use (and always have) Swagelok pipe fittings, but any quality fitting will do fine. The ports on the filter are 1/8 NPT. I bought two 3-ft. hydraulic lines from www.northerntool.com to use for the input and output from the filter. The hoses I chose are 1/4 inch ID, with 1/4 NPT threads on the ends. I used 1/4-to-1/8 NPT fittings to connect these hoses to the inlet/outlet ports on the filter. I also included a 1/8 NPT tee-fitting at the inlet port so I can run my oil pressure sending unit from there. Teflon tape all connections. My setup has no fewer than 12 pipe connections and NONE of them leak at all... it's all in how carefully you set them up.



The location I chose to mount the filter is along the passenger side battery tray, engine side, as close to the firewall as possible. Refer to my pictures. This location allows easy access to the filter for TP changes, and keeps all the lines away from anything "nasty".



Amsoil makes a very convenient swivel fitting for the oil filler cap. I intended to buy one, but decided to make my own instead. I had to heavily modify the factory oil cap to do so, since it uses a fancy interlocking clutch mechanism. I used a 90 degree elbow and a 1/4 inch quick disconnect fitting so I can disconnect the bypass return line when I need to remove the oil filler cap. What I'm saying is, my fitting assembly does not swivel.



Note that my source for the bypass oil is the top of the oil filter mount.



Some observations:

1. It took about 30 seconds to build oil pressure at the filter inlet after initial startup. :eek: It took so long that I almost shut off the engine for fear that I had no oil pressure. Fortunately, the factory oil pressure switch was indicating that pressure was there, but it just took some time to fill up the bypass filter housing. Don't panic if this happens to you!



2. At peak oil temperature (after a 20 minute highway ride at 70), I have lost about 8 lbs pressure at the inlet to the filter. Before the filter install I had the oil pressure sending unit mounted at the end of the hydraulic line (in anticipation of the bypass install) for a few weeks. At that location I was seeing 20 psi at hot idle and 65 psi above 1800 RPM. Now I get about 11 or 12 psi hot idle and 55-60 above 1800 RPM. I am not concerned, as the factory oil pressure switch will "protect" me if the pressure at the main oil rifle drops below 6 psi.



3. Many people will think you're a fool for putting a TP filter in your engine. Do your best to ignore them. ;)



I hope this write-up isn't as confusing as I think it is. If there is a demand for it, I will post part numbers and a complete parts list for the entire project. :)
 
One view of the filter bracket. It's been bolted to the front of the battery tray with three 1/4-20 stainless nuts and bolts.
 
Dunno what the starting condition of your oil was at time of bypass install, but the REAL test will be how clean it keeps/makes your oil, and what it shows on oil analysis after 5000 miles or so...
 
I took a picture of a sample of oil that I took. It had 3000 miles on it. I'll post it here with a comparison after 3000 miles with the bypass installed.
 
3000 might be TOO many additional miles - by then, the oil is usually somewhat dirty again, and it's time for another TP cartridge - but then, maybe the MG filter will do better than the Frantz - we'll see...



I would suggest a check at about 500 miles - at least that's time enough for the Frantz to clean the oil. I think it's great that you are doing this, really gives us something for comparison! ;) :D
 
I uninstalled this system

Well, this morning I uninstalled the TP bypass filter. Let me begin by saying, I WANT a TP bypass filter arrangement; I believe they are an excellent investment in engine life.



I removed it because I discovered something that scared me. My return line, as it left the filter, was routed past the first intercooler hose clamp on the turbo. In 1 week, contact between that clamp and my hydraulic line resulted in a 1/16 inch-deep abrasive wear spot in the hydraulic hose.



To abate the problem, I bought some 5/8 heater hose to place over the wear spots. But, after thinking about it for some time, I decided that it would, of course, only be a matter of time (probably a very short time) before contact with either the clamp or the shock tower (which the return line also contacted) would wear right through the heater hose and begin eating the hydralic hose.



Combine those facts with my realization that installation of the bypass filter introduced 14 new potential failure points into my engine. And, I no longer like the idea of routing the return line up to the oil filler cap (although that's certainly the most convenient way of doing it). I would much much prefer to run it right back to the oil pan. Remember - this is the oil system we're messing with here: it is the life's blood of your engine. If you begin pumping oil out of the engine, by the time it shows up on your oil pressure gauge the engine will be toast.



So, here I sit with this huge dilemma: I want the clean oil provided by the bypass filter, but I don't want the increased chance for failure. It's a dispute between my two fundamental beliefs: durability and simplicity. In this case, simplicity won (for now). I am going to take some time and research other ways to route the return line back to the crankcase, and try to maximize simplicity while minimizing potential failure points.



I *might* also wait to re-install the filter until after at least the 36K mile warranty is up, as I fear the dealer voiding the warranty for anything he doesn't understand (and many people just don't understand the TP filter).



Gary, you've got a heck of an arrangement with yours. I just want to re-think my own installation to make it more "robust".

:)
 
I am not against additional filtration I just am wondering if there is any data to justify doing it. How many engines have failed or had problems due to dirty oil? Problems that could have been prevented with a system like this? This is assuming the oil was changed at specified intervals. Do you think adding this additional filtration will have any impact on the life of the engine?, beyond say 300K miles, at the point the rest of the truck will be worn out.
 
Bert, the only "data" to support the use of bypass filtering, is the very real proof of the cleaner oil as displayed by MANY oil analysis reports. Will it extend the life of the engine and make it more reliable over the long haul? undoubtedly, otherwise the military, commercial and industrial users wouldn't use them, but they DO!



Will they typically be of benefit to MOST truck owners? Maybe not, unless those owners put LOTS of miles on their trucks or keep them for longer than the national average for vehicle ownership.



Not much argument for installation of one of these on a vehicle only driven 12,000 miles a year, and then traded every 3 years or so. That's also pretty true of the use of those expensive synthetic lubes, by the way! ;)



BUT, these filters are easily transferred from old vehicle to new, are easily and inexpensively maintained - I've had the one now in use on my truck for over 40 years - been on a fair number of different engines in that time period.



Basically these filters are for long-term use by owners expecting to put LOTS of miles on their vehicles - or, as many feel, those wanting the "very best" for their trucks - if you don't fit any of those categories, these filters are probably a waste of your time and money... ;)



RB - sorry about the concern as to hose routing - mine has not been an issue in the least - but obviously installations vary - hope you get yours sorted out - still interested in at least the visual cleaning capability in the MG filter...
 
That's a fair question. I believe there are 2 valid reasons to run with one of these: 1) to protect your engine from dirty oil 2) to extend your oil drain intervals. On 1, consider the fact that airplanes historically ran with TP filters in order to protect engines. From that, I infer that it must do some good in terms of protection. For 2, it doesn't make sense to extend beyond the oil change intervals (sched A and B) in the manual, but I believe running with a TP filter will allow you to safely run 7500 -> 15000 intervals.

-john
 
Currently, I am on an extended drain test using Delo 400, to see how effective the Frantz will be in assisting longer oil use - will be changing the TP cartridge every 2500 miles or so, and the stock full-flow (Stratapore 3894) at 5000 miles - and oil analysis at every 5000 miles to verify condition of the oil.



Many here are under the impression that only synthetics can be used in extended drain scenarios - I want to see if the dino oils can't do equally as well for a significant number of miles... ;)



My biggest complication is the slowness of accumulation of miles... Oh well, I'll eventually get it done... :D
 
Will be doing about 1500 miles in a couple of weeks - hope to get enough miles to make the first 5000 for this test, the filter changes and an oil analysis... :D :D



Other minor issue is that I only have a bit over 25,000 miles on the truck, so probably not quite thru the break-in stage, which might somewhat degrade the level of wear metals...
 
rbatelle, just a thought, do you know if your bypass had the correct size orifice for a Cummins application? It needs to be pretty small to limit oil flow. With it running the return stream of oil should amount to maybe half a cup per minute or something? I don't remember exactly, was the Amsoil setup around 6gpm or 6gph or ?



Vaughn
 
Originally posted by Vaughn MacKenzie

rbatelle, just a thought, do you know if your bypass had the correct size orifice for a Cummins application? It needs to be pretty small to limit oil flow. With it running the return stream of oil should amount to maybe half a cup per minute or something? I don't remember exactly, was the Amsoil setup around 6gpm or 6gph or ?



Vaughn



I have no idea. The orifice was maybe 1/8 inch diameter. I probably should calculate what the correct orifice for 1 or 2 GPH would need to be.
 
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