Trailer tires

[TJJEEPER]

Howdy RVers...
I have a 5th wheel Keystone Raptor Toyhauler. Fully loaded I'm around 16,000 LBS. It came with 235-80 16" E trailer tires and the tread separated on 3 of the 4 on the ground tires. I upgraded 235-85 G trailer tires and the problem went away BUT nobody seems to be able to balance them properly. I've been to several tire places and one even did the road force balance. They told me they were unable to balance two of the 5 tires, one of which is the spare now.

Couple of questions:
Is there a manufacture that makes a "name brand" G tire that will stand behind the balance?

And/or
Would the bolt on tire balancer fix this problem?

TIA

 

[RVTRKN]

What is the trailer Axle weight? Look at my sig, I went with Michelin RIB E load tires for mine, runs smooth as far as I can tell, no one rides in 5ver. Also there's another brand that has commercial tires in the E load that are also as good per the reports. Goodyear I believe has a G load tire, just never researched it.

 

[GAmes]

I ran Goodyear G load range tires on my last 5er. There was never a problem getting them balanced.

 

[Dieselnerd]

I'm on my 3rd set of Goodyear G rated tires. They always balanced with no problems.

 

[AH64ID]

The tires are likely out of round and should be replaced. Are they new?

Beads or bolt on balances may help, but it seems like you have a tire issue.

 

[Cummins12V98]

GY "G" tires are great quality, never a problem balancing and they stand behind their product. Know your axle weights maybe G's are not needed and E's will be fine? If so GY makes the Endurance and has excellent reviews as they are a US Made tire and NOT a China will pop.

 

[mpaulson]

I'm running Goodyear G614 "G" load rated tires on my toyhauler, a 34' bumper pull with a 12' garage, 6 of them. I've only run them for one season so far, about 11,000 kms and they show absolutely no signs of wear. I run them a 92 psi based on the load inflation chart for these tires. I have monitors on them that show the psi and the temps and they all are consistantly within 3-4 degrees of each other while on the highway (consistant manufacturing tolerances). If your're at 16,000# on the axles, you are likely at max for your axles assuming that they are probably 8,000# axles and hopefully not 7,000# or 6,000# ones like mine has. The G614's are rated at 3,750# each which you would be overloading with four adding up to 15,000#, if you are indeed at 16,000#. That will be why you can't keep tires on it. I added a third axle to my trailer due to being overloaded with only one quad and no water in the trailer.
With trailer tires you truly get what you pay for and in my opinion, it's worth paying for peace of mind while on holidays which is supposed to be relaxing, not stressfull as well as the damage that tires can inflict when they fail and the cost of repairing the delicate trailer componants that get damaged.
Have you run the trailer on a scale while loaded up? If not you really need to to see where your loading is at.
One other thing that I hope was checked, make sure the rims are rated for 110 psi and 3750# load.

 

[TJJEEPER]

Thanks for the replies. I called Crentramatic and got some good advice. The trailer is on jack stands now and the tires are round, which was the first thing Centramatic suggested I check. After finding they were round I ordered a set of Centramatics. The tires are 3 years old and they are holding up well.
I haven't been on the scales yet... I know, unforgivable. The rig has 7000 lb Dexter Axles and I suspect when fully loaded with the Quad and fluids I'm close to 14,000 on the axles.
Next trip I'll get it weighed (President's Day) but the Centramatics will be installed by then.
The decision was driven by the ~$200 for the Centramatics as opposed to the ~$1000+ for a new set of tires.

 

[AH64ID]

Thanks for the replies. I called Crentramatic and got some good advice. The trailer is on jack stands now and the tires are round, which was the first thing Centramatic suggested I check. After finding they were round I ordered a set of Centramatics. The tires are 3 years old and they are holding up well.
I haven't been on the scales yet... I know, unforgivable. The rig has 7000 lb Dexter Axles and I suspect when fully loaded with the Quad and fluids I'm close to 14,000 on the axles.
Next trip I'll get it weighed (President's Day) but the Centramatics will be installed by then.
The decision was driven by the ~$200 for the Centramatics as opposed to the ~$1000+ for a new set of tires.

You will like the centramatics. I have a set on my TT and between them and the Dexter EX-Flex the inside stuff stays put much better now.

I still think there is a tire issue on 2 of them, but I'm not sure how to find out what it is. Maybe see how round they are while spinning at a higher rate of speed?

Balance issues can also be caused by separating chords.

 

[hemijimmy]

Howdy RVers...
I have a 5th wheel Keystone Raptor Toyhauler. Fully loaded I'm around 16,000 LBS. It came with 235-80 16" E trailer tires and the tread separated on 3 of the 4 on the ground tires. I upgraded 235-85 G trailer tires and the problem went away BUT nobody seems to be able to balance them properly. I've been to several tire places and one even did the road force balance. They told me they were unable to balance two of the 5 tires, one of which is the spare now.

Couple of questions:
Is there a manufacture that makes a "name brand" G tire that will stand behind the balance?

And/or
Would the bolt on tire balancer fix this problem?

TIA

Goodyear made in USA

 

[hemijimmy]

You will like the centramatics. I have a set on my TT and between them and the Dexter EX-Flex the inside stuff stays put much better now.

I still think there is a tire issue on 2 of them, but I'm not sure how to find out what it is. Maybe see how round they are while spinning at a higher rate of speed?

Balance issues can also be caused by separating chords.

If your tires say "made in china" on side wall chances are your on borrowed time. I run Goodyear G rated on my 3 axle toy hauler in hot summer 70 mph. Yes they are expensive. Made in USA. If you have ever seen a trailer beat apart literally by a Chinese tire steel cords trust me, you will save money and time with a good tire. I always check pressures before hauling and I run full pressure rating. They run cooler that way. I had a brand new China G rated tire fail, less than 2000 miles on it. Beat the fender out of the 5th wheel. Insurance claim. Bent the rear jack. Destroyed brake wiring. My new toy hauler had China tires removed before I took delivery. Good tires will balance with out trouble.

 

[RVTRKN]

I just bought a set of cheap Taskmaster Contender tires “China Will Pops” for my boat trailer. However they are 14” and it’s hard to find anything else without spending a bloody fortune on a set.

 

[KRSmitty]

Have "upgraded" to Hercules (E) tires on my last 2 RV's. No issues with them and supposedly American made. Around $70-80 a tire, so reasonably priced.

 

[Killer223]

Have "upgraded" to Hercules (E) tires on my last 2 RV's. No issues with them and supposedly American made. Around $70-80 a tire, so reasonably priced.

these are all i'll ever use. i have well over 6 years on my set and 5K miles, these are great tires.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Have "upgraded" to Hercules (E) tires on my last 2 RV's. No issues with them and supposedly American made. Around $70-80 a tire, so reasonably priced.

I'm thinkin you should look at the sidewall. My money is they are NOT US Made. Report back.

 

[GAmes]

https://www.reference.com/vehicles/...hercules-tires-plant-located-8dce18964a7864d1

 

[Killer223]

Mine have made in USA on them.

 

[CTLindsey]

I have GY G614, my 2nd set and the will repair the damage to your rig if a blowout happens. that's how good they are. check their chart to find out how much air to run based on weight. don't always run max fill and don't under inflate. there are the best tire. I had a mobile installer put in the last set using a tripod bubble balancer and there are great on a 18K 39 foot 5th wheel

 

[Killgore]

We are running Goodyear Unisteel G-114 'H' rated tires on our 18,000 lb. fifth-wheel and well pleased. I also have TST-TPMS transmitters on the valve stems that monitor pressure and temperature. On our previous fifth-wheel we had China bombs and the TPMS saved us several times and no doubt alerted us in time to avoid damage that some say can average in the neighborhood of $1,200 per occurrence. When I pulled the China bombs, I replaced them with Maxxis M8008's that were made in Thailand. I think they are an excellent trailer tire in the ST 15" tires.

It's unfortunate that many camper manufacturers continue to take shortcuts and use materials and components that make their products unreliable or unsafe on the open road. In the late 1970's, we called this 'planned obsolescence' in the auto industry. Today, it is just out-right criminal.

 

[TJJEEPER]

update: The Centramatics are doing their job. Screws are not backing out and although I didn't feel and vibration when towing before, it's glass smooth now. The white powder that would appear around the range from grinding the counter top down is also nonexistent. Success!