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I was on a trip and with my trailer going up some back road hills the transmission temps were hitting 250 for a short time (my total gross is 24300 lbs). Will this damage the transmission? I have a mag double pan installed and when going up hills under a load the temps really jump into the higher numbers. When towing on the flats the temps run about 160 to 190.



Puller:confused:
 
WHY ATF WEARS OUT

An automatic transmission creates a lot of internal heat through

friction: the friction of the fluid churning inside the torque

converter, friction created when the clutch plates engage, and the

normal friction created by gears and bearings carrying their loads.

It doesn't take long for the automatic transmission fluid (ATF) to

heat up once the vehicle is in motion. Normal driving will raise

fluid temperatures to 175 degrees F. , which is the usual temperature

range at which most fluids are designed to operate. If fluid

temperatures can be held to 175 degrees F. , ATF will last almost

indefinitely -- say up to 100,000 miles. But if the fluid

temperature goes much higher, the life of the fluid begins to

plummet. The problem is even normal driving can push fluid

temperatures well beyond safe limits. And once that happens, the

trouble begins.

At elevated operating temperatures, ATF oxidizes, turns brown and

takes on a smell like burnt toast. As heat destroys the fluid's

lubricating qualities and friction characteristics, varnish begins

to form on internal parts (such as the valve body) which interferes

with the operation of the transmission. If the temperature gets

above 250 degrees F. , rubber seals begin to harden, which leads to

leaks and pressure losses. At higher temperatures the transmission

begins to slip, which only aggravates overheating even more.

Eventually the clutches burn out and the transmission calls it

quits. The only way to repair the damage now is with an overhaul --

a job which can easily run upwards of on a late model front-wheel

drive car or minivan.

As a rule of thumb, every 20 degree increase in operating

temperature above 175 degrees F. cuts the life of the fluid in half!



At 195 degrees F. , for instance, fluid life is reduced to 50,000

miles. At 220 degrees, which is commonly encountered in many

transmissions, the fluid is only good for about 25,000 miles. At 240

degrees F. , the fluid won't go much over 10,000 miles. Add another

20 degrees, and life expectancy drops to 5,000 miles. Go to 295 or

300 degrees F. , and 1,000 to 1,500 miles is about all you'll get

before the transmission burns up.

If you think this is propaganda put forth by the suppliers of ATF to

sell more fluid, think again. According to the Automatic

Transmission Rebuilders Association, 90% of ALL transmission

failures are caused by overheating. And most of these can be blamed

on worn out fluid that should have been replaced.

On most vehicles, the automatic transmission fluid is cooled by a

small heat exchanger inside the bottom or end tank of the radiator.

Hot ATF from the transmission circulates through a short loop of

pipe and is thus "cooled. " Cooling is a relative term here, however,

because the radiator itself may be running at anywhere from 180 to

220 degrees F. !

Tests have shown that the typical original equipment oil cooler is

marginal at best. ATF that enters the radiator cooler at 300 degrees

F. leaves at 240 to 270 degrees F. , which is only a 10 to 20% drop

in temperature, and is nowhere good enough for extended fluid life.

Any number of things can push ATF temperatures beyond the system's

ability to maintain safe limits: towing a trailer, mountain driving,

driving at sustained high speeds during hot weather, stop-and-go

driving in city traffic, "rocking" an automatic transmission from

drive to reverse to free a tire from mud or snow, etc. Problems in

the cooling system itself such as a low coolant level, a defective

cooling fan, fan clutch, thermostat or water pump, an obstructed

radiator, etc. , will also diminish ATF cooling efficiency. In some

cases, transmission overheating can even lead to engine coolant

overheating! That's why there's a good demand for auxiliary add-on

transmission coolers.

AUXILIARY COOLING

An auxiliary transmission fluid cooler is easy to install and can

substantially lower fluid operating temperatures. The plate/fin type

cooler is somewhat more efficient than the tube and fin design, but

either can lower fluid temperatures anywhere from 80 to 140 degrees

when installed in series with the stock unit. Typical cooling

efficiencies run in the 35 to 50% range.
 
Thanks for your input. I know that higher temps can and will destroy the transmission however how long can a transmission operate at these high temps. Does it hurt the transmission to encounter high temps for a few minutes?



Puller:confused:
 
I have been serously thinking about adding a transmission cooler because of summer time towing useage. On the other hand, I drive the truck with a light load in the winter. Since I live in Upper Michigan, it can get rather chilly at times and I wonder what a add on cooler is going to do to trans. temp when it's cold. Is it possible to cool ATF to much under these conditions ?
 
Thanks for your input. I know that higher temps can and will destroy the transmission however how long can a transmission operate at these high temps. Does it hurt the transmission to encounter high temps for a few minutes?



Puller:confused:
I would guess that at least half of the Dodge drivers out there have no transmission temp gage, and also are having no problems with the 48RE. I like to know what going on, so I have one. DC didn't think it important enough to include it as a stock feature. They have either built a very good transmission that will withstand a lot or they want the units to fail. I don't think that a few minutes of marginal over temp has burned your ATF or harmed your transmission. If that's all it takes then it's not worth worrying about anyway. Run it like heck through the warranty period and upgrade to one of the bulletproof aftermarket units if you're past the warranty. That's my plan.
 
You are forgetting that once you overheat the transmission that damage is permanent!! At 250° you already ruined the seals. It will not take but a few tows to end your transmission. The ideal trans temp for fluid and seals is 175°, at this temp the fluid should last 50,000 miles. At 195°, the fluid life is cut in half, to 25,000 miles. At 205°, the trany fluid is once again cut in half to 12,500 miles. At 215° the fluid is again cut in half to 6,250. And at 225°, it's down to 3,150. At 235° it's 1,575, and at 245 it's less then 800, and at 255° it's less then 400 miles. The damage done to the trany is permanent, but you can see by the above that the transmission fluid real takes a beating, and should be replaced as soon as possible, the wear protection and additives have been boiled out of the fluid, so the longer it's left in the transmission the more damage it will do.

I found out the hard way, just like you. I lost my transmission at less then 35K miles. After that I decided to do something about this so other would not suffer the same fate, and so my new ATS transmission would last much longer. I studies and researched the habits of the Dodge Ram/Cummins combo for 2 years and came up with an alternative that not only works to save your transmission, it also helps it work more efficiently, improving shift quality and over performance.

For more information on my Super Coolers, you can go to www.proweldperformanceparts.com They work great, and I have sold many of them to fellow TDR members with the same great results. Good luck
 
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