transmission upgrades

[Briar Hopper]

Originally posted by Dixie Dawg

How bout we let the FOLKS give their opinions on the product, and leave the biased interests out of it.





transmission threads are *almost* as bad as politics.

My viewpoint is that of a mechanic that understands these transmissions and knows what works, more so than the viewpoint of simply being a vendor of the product.

We've heard plenty from FOLKS and consumers that like or dislike certain trannies they've purchased. It always comes back to the fact that it's a mechanical device, and buying one is basically an act of faith, when understanding of the device and the modifications isn't present in the mind of the consumer. I don't know about you, but I like to learn as much as I can before buying or deciding on a product. *(on edit: it has always come home to bite me when I didn't do my homework) * But in the end, what we have here is just opinions, with everyone expressing their own opinion. Instead of technical discussions, what we get is expressed opinions... .....

No "cheap shot" intended towards Dave Goerend. I've never met him or seen his shop, or his products. A lot of people seem to like him, his customers certainly do. Nothing wrong with that.

A machine is only as good as it's operator? Not always. The advantage to certain machines, is the amount of precision available by the removal of human error. And some machines are simply better than others.

Torque converters are only a small part of the equation anyway, how the transmission itself works is the key.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

DShowan,



Do research before attacking people, the person that made that post didn't say he made the TC's for any other companies in this industry. He just listed the lining measurements of some companies that were at question.



If you remember correctly it was directed at ATS who listed our lining size incorrectly (which they changed), then my dad (Bill K) gave him a measurement of the ATS lining that was different than the one they (ATS) supplied, which they also changed. Funny thing is that Dad made that measurement up to see if they actually knew how to measure the linings properly.

 

[StakeMan]

You will never get an unbiased opinion on this forum. Best advice is to ride in trucks with the equipment you are looking at, read everything, and make your own decision.

 

[StakeMan]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

DShowan,



Do research before attacking people, the person that made that post didn't say he made the TC's for any other companies in this industry. He just listed the lining measurements of some companies that were at question.



If you remember correctly it was directed at ATS who listed our lining size incorrectly (which they changed), then my dad (Bill K) gave him a measurement of the ATS lining that was different than the one they (ATS) supplied, which they also changed. Funny thing is that Dad made that measurement up to see if they actually knew how to measure the linings properly.

The funny thing is that your dad had someone lie for him.

 

[Dixie Dawg]

In biased, I meant somebody that doesn't have a financial stake in which transmission gets bought. But, I can see where this'un is headed..... like 95% of all the rest.



To the fella that started this thread, I'd suggest searching for DTT or ATS or Goerend, and weeding thru all the junk and get opinions from folks that upgraded their transmission with their own money. Even send pm's to folks and talk to them about their choice.



FWIW, I still have a stock transmission until I hit 36k.

 

[StakeMan]

Originally posted by Dixie Dawg

In biased, I meant somebody that doesn't have a financial stake in which transmission gets bought. But, I can see where this'un is headed..... like 95% of all the rest.



To the fella that started this thread, I'd suggest searching for DTT or ATS or Goerend, and weeding thru all the junk and get opinions from folks that upgraded their transmission with their own money. Even send pm's to folks and talk to them about their choice.



FWIW, I still have a stock transmission until I hit 36k.

The unbiased statement was directed at the thread starter.

 

[jwilliams3]

Now that we have heard from the Mechanical experts and transmission of the month club people.

I would like to reiterate what Stakeman said to the thread starter.

Do your homework, research and make an educated decision.

Good luck.



--Justin

 

[vssman]

You already have received some good advice - find people nearby that have different transmission upgrades and ask them. One other thing to think about is finding an "authorized" shop that works closely with the "manufacturer" to do the install. That way if you have a problem, you can take it to someone that has a bit of experience in diagnosing upgrade problems.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Actually Stake i guess the humor is all in how you look at , any tc designer or vendor should know how to measure their own clutch lining , one would think anyway.



I do agree with the other guys though, all anyone can do is try and weed through all the jargon and make the most educated decisions they can . I know it is confusing and hard to do that when very often you dont even remember the question if you look at the answers you got. All any of us can do on any given day when were are out of our area of expertise is the best we can, and if you have the opportunity to test drive non-promotional trucks set up somewhat similar to what your requirements are that helps as well.



Good luck with your R&D.

 

[StakeMan]

And an honest man wouldn't have someone else lie for them.





nuff said.

 

[D. Showan]

Originally posted by steve marshall:



"For the record!

O. E. linning area 33. 66 not 34. but close enough!

D. T. T. linning area 41. 56 not 34.

A. T. S. linning area 117. 6 not 119.

I hope this will clear up some of the mis-leading

info regarding this subject on this post and

on the a. t. s. web site.



disclaimer: supplier's of quality remanufactured

torque converter's for D. T. T. and hundred's of other TCS customers.

steve marshall TCS TRANSMISSION PRODUCTS"





He said that his company (TCS) remanufacturers torque converters for DTT and hundreds of other TCS customers. It sounded like he meant other Companies not just retail customers. So if TCS only makes converters for DTT and retail, not any other companies, tell me so and I will stand corrected.



My guess is that there are other companies converters being assembled at that same "state of the art" facility on the same equipment. Anyone know???



edit. I'm sure it's a great facility. Many of us out here wish DTT and it's supporters would quit insulting other companies in their quest to prove that they are the best. Hopper, they were insults.

 

[cmonroe]

BKeibler, if I were in your shoes, I would not look for a complete transmission. I would look at a converter, valve body and a command controller. It sounds to me as if your not trying to build a very hot truck, just one that will pull much better than stock. I personally have a five speed, however almost all of my friends have the ATS auto's. Some have complete ATS transmission setups, some just have the converters and valve bodies. All are very pleased with their setups. One advantage for your specific application is that the ATS command controller will allow you to control your exhaust braking speeds, it is adjustable so you can set it to your needs. I have tried to only comment on your question if you would like feel free to PM me and I'll find any information that you may need.

 

[banshee]

Actually Stake i guess the humor is all in how you look at , any tc designer or vendor should know how to measure their own clutch lining , one would think anyway.

A. T. S. linning area 117. 6 not 119.

Ok. . let's break this down and show just how NITPICKY this is. ATS advertises 119 square inches of area, and you are seriously saying that they're lying because you measured 117. 6?? So... here's a he said / she said comparo for ya: Measurements are in square inches for the record.



_____________ATS' Ad Claim____DTT's "Expert " Claim



Total area:________119_________________117. 6

Per Disk Area:____39. 666________________39. 21

1 Side of Disk Area:_19. 833_______________19. 6

Radial Distance (in. ):_2. 512_______________2. 497

Difference in radial measurement: . 015 inches!!!





So, each side of a friction disk os off . 233 sq inches... that's roughly a 1/2 inch square. More than that, Area = Pi*(Do-Di/4), so the difference in measurement of the width of the friction disk was a mere 15 thousandths of an inch. Pretty nitpicky if you ask me!!!! It's just amazing how fast the area adds up with 3 disks!! No matter what 119 or 117. 6 >>>> 41. XX everyday!



John

 

[StakeMan]

Briar Hopper,



ATS's paying customers are satisfied.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Stakeman,



Steve posted the number that was incorrect on purpose to get them to go and re-measure as he'd already measured their lining and he knew the measurement they posted was wrong. We knew if we told them it was incorrect it would have been a new song and dance about how they know what they are doing ect.



We honestly thought they would go back and re-measure their own lining. Never did we think they would just put up the numbers we gave them about their own product.



What we expect to see was a response that said, no Steve/ Bill this is the correct measurement. As that never happened we removed our post. To this day the wrong numbers still remain posted in their advertisements.



Banshee, great that you understand formulas, problem is garbage in garbage out.



And guys , to us exact measurements do matter when we build components. We cant speak for others. We dont give a little take a little. We believe in precise measurements.



And you are right, to the dodge guys numbers are impressive dont forget whos trucks are dynoing the highest.



Guys there is no need for this kind of meaningless fights, it is getting the guy that wanted the help no where.

 

[StakeMan]

Stefan,



I think you meant that post for D. Showan.



It doesn't change the fact that the lie was posted on command.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Dont even start me up about lying and advertising. I going to bite my tongue here and go to the gym.



See you guys later.

 

[D. Showan]

Stefan, Go to the gym and have some fun. When you get a chance please don't forget to answer my question.



Quote from you:



"DShowan,



Do research before attacking people, the person that made that post didn't say he made the TC's for any other companies in this industry"



I posted the following Quote from Steve Marshall:



"disclaimer: supplier's of quality remanufactured

torque converter's for D. T. T. and hundred's of other TCS customers.

steve marshall TCS TRANSMISSION PRODUCTS"



I then asked this question:



"He said that his company (TCS) remanufacturers torque converters for DTT and hundreds of other TCS customers. It sounded like he meant other Companies not just retail customers. So if TCS only makes converters for DTT and retail, not any other companies, tell me so and I will stand corrected.



Please correct me out if I'm off base here, Thanks

 

[K_Arts]

Originally posted by D. Showan

edit. I'm sure it's a great facility. Many of us out here wish DTT and it's supporters would quit insulting other companies in their quest to prove that they are the best. Hopper, they were insults.

I'm not trying to attack anyone by this, but I chuckled when I read this, cause if you go back and read the latest transmission posts, it's not DTT nor it's supporters that are insulting people.



Everytime Stefan or DTT posts anything, Stakeman is there trying to cause a war.



Stakeman - I am not trying to point fingers or attack you, but you are making this big deal about Steve lying for DTT. Stefan also noted this about ATS:

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

To this day the wrong numbers still remain posted in their advertisements.

(I am not trying to attack ATS either by saying this) But you are saying that it is wrong for Steve to lie for DTT. So why was it OK for ATS to lie. Your saying that lying is wrong... . well isn't a lie a lie? If one is wrong, why isn't the other?



Get over it and realize that the original poster BKeibler asked a simple question and was hoping to get a simple answer. You answered him by saying "call around and do your homework. " Now don't you think it is about time to chill out and help BKeibler get the answers the he is seeking vs trying to cause a war everytime you turn around??



Kev

 

[JConley]

OK ladies... its time to get your panties out of a wadd.



I dont think any consumer gives a rats butt about the sq inches if lining in the TC. All they want to know is if it works, how much does it cost, and what is the warranty. At least that is what I looked for, and I everytime I see posts from DTT and all of the DTT vendors (installers) I thank my lucky stars that I got the ATS setup.





John

Currently training to go off and fight a real war.





Bummer. . Chat isnt working tonight