transmission upgrades

[GLASMITHS]

Big Lie?

How bout the one on "stock" pressures. Don Rammer posted some time back that ats pressures were: Base 70psi, wot unlocked 120, wot locked 140. My DTT wot is same as ats. Don't know base #, and my t/c does not stay locked at wot. So the pressures are about the same. So why do they advertise stock pressures, HUH?



Stake: Nit pick that one a little.

 

[StakeMan]

Kevin,



It seems that everytime Stephan or DTT posts they are trying to stir the pot. Maybe I shouldn't reply to those attempts to stir, but then I am not someone who sits on the sidelines quietly.

(I am not trying to attack ATS either by saying this) But you are saying that it is wrong for Steve to lie for DTT. So why was it OK for ATS to lie. Your saying that lying is wrong... . well isn't a lie a lie? If one is wrong, why isn't the other?

Are you the type that would ask someone else to lie for you?

 

[phoekema]

cluch area

You know, the ironic thing about all this attention on area of the lockup clutch is that the increase in area doesn't do ANYTHING in and of itself to reduce the tendency to slip. This is why almost all after-market converter manufacturers add to the servo pressure to help keep the clutch from slipping.

The inherent design of the triple disk clutch is what really makes that design hold so well, it is really not about area at all. So a square inch or so just doesn't mean much.



Saying that (and yes, I am a very satisfied ATS customer) let me say once again that any of the good aftermarket vendors (ATS, DTT, Dave Goerend, SunCoast etc) will be a HUGE improvement over stock!

 

[StakeMan]

Re: Big Lie?

Originally posted by GLASMITHS

How bout the one on "stock" pressures. Don Rammer posted some time back that ats pressures were: Base 70psi, wot unlocked 120, wot locked 140. My DTT wot is same as ats. Don't know base #, and my t/c does not stay locked at wot. So the pressures are about the same. So why do they advertise stock pressures, HUH?



Stake: Nit pick that one a little.

OK



I believe (without looking at the origional posts) that they were refering to the fact that you could use thier TC on a stock transmission with stock pressures and not slip the lock-up clutch.

 

[dramer]

Just Some Thanks!

Stefan Kondolay:



ATS Diesel has no time to worry about you or what your company is doing. Our wonder is how so much of your time is spent degrading other companies or the products they build.

If our product concerns you so much you must be in love with it. Our company’s products always seem to be of topic to you. We would think that your products and your company would be of more concern than ours would be. This again shows we must be building things of interest to you.

You have demonstrated this by acquiring our torque converters to study than post the pictures of it. We still wonder why the massive obsession with ATS Diesel and what we do? We take this as a compliment with this attention thanks.

Stefan we thank you again for the concern for our products however we have things at our company under control now so please don’t worry about us. This might free some of your time up to be more productive for your company.



Don

 

[snowracer69]

Stefan,



You guys got my business, you'll get two of my friends (Denis and Luke, who talk to you at least weekly).



Please, don't play into this anymore... just let the people have their say. I have respected your father since the day he made the $1000 or however much wager to cut into one of his torque converters (his leaving of this site that followed) and nobody would follow suit.



To all you auto transmission builders:



You all know you make an awesome product, and the paying customers who have bought them with their own hard earned money are all extremely pleased (for the most part, there are a few who aren't, but ya can't please them all).



This one oughtta be locked down pretty soon... . good while it lasted though, even though we didn't learn anything this time around. Maybe next auto-transmission thread? I know, I'll go start an Amsoil thread... that'll bring 'em outta the works.



Josh

 

[D. Showan]

Please don't lock it down until Stefan has a chance to answer my question

 

[Snow man]

Bkeibler, the best advice I can give you is to try to get a ride an ATS,DTT,and any other truck you can. This way you can decide which setup you like better,for yourself. Second,do a little research on the company,how do they handle a problem, and warranty issues?Who is going to be there for you down the road,if something happens?I cannot say anything about ATS,or BD since I have never delt with them,all I can tell you is I have seen Bill K go the distance and stand behind his products all the way,I mean even when he wasnt obligated to do so. He takes care of his customers,each and every one. Ive never delt with a company that cares about their customers as much as DTT does. If you decide to go with someone else,Id be make sure they will stand behind what they build. Again, its your money your choice,do it once,do it right.

 

[banshee]

Who is going to be there for you down the road,if something happens?I cannot say anything about ATS,or BD since I have never delt with them,all I can tell you is I have seen Bill K go the distance and stand behind his products all the way,I mean even when he wasnt obligated to do so. He takes care of his customers,each and every one. Ive never delt with a company that cares about their customers as much as DTT does. If you decide to go with someone else,Id be make sure they will stand behind what they build.

As an example of ATS' support for their customers and ANY owner of a truck in our sport, Clint and Don both took their own time to help Doug Smith (jetpilot... who is a DTT sponsored ride) get his truck going in Atlanta when he was having all kinds of defueling issues. Now, how about that? I think it says a lot for them to help the sponsored truck from the competition simply because they want to help a fellow Cummins/Dodge owner enjoy this sport/hobby. I was seriously thinking about buying a 98 12V truck and called Don about swapping my transmission (2001. 5) to my dad's new truck (2002) and Don was very gracious to offer any help, swapping of valvebodies, etc. I think it's humerous that some of the "top shops" in the west are sending their work to ATS because they can't figure it out, and I'm talking about more than just transmission work.

Banshee, great that you understand formulas, problem is garbage in garbage out.



And guys , to us exact measurements do matter when we build components. We cant speak for others. We dont give a little take a little. We believe in precise measurements.

First of all Stefan, you can't accurately measure a bonded clutch lining width within . 015. This isn't some piece of billet steel or aluminum. Just in case you don't know, . 015 inches is about 5 human hairs. You can change the reading on a set of calipers by . 005 depending on how hard you push, so. . where's the beef?? I'll say it again, 3 splined disks @ 119 sq in >>>>> 1 disk @ 41. 5 sq in.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

D Showan,



Do we contract professionals to build components for us? Yes we do. We personally need the high end quality machines and professionals operating them in order to facilitate our design. Is the TC our own design? Yes it is. Are they our manufacturer ? Yes they are. Do they make milled stator TC’s for the every day cars and trucks for the AAMCO like shops yes they do. They do not manufacture aftermarket tc's for our competitors. Perhaps i was unclear as to exactly what i meant. Did we choose them because they have a state of the art facility in part yes we did. Can you buy our components and TC’s from them, NO YOU CANT, we own the design.



Guys like Dave G. purchase components from companies like precision and assemble and build in house. That doesnt make him a bad guy, that is his way and it works for him. We do what we do and we do it our way.



snowracer69, you are right , this is like going back in time, been there done that. No more .

 

[BillGotthelf]

OKay go to your corners and count to ten. The different transmission rebuilders have loyal fans for sure just like the feelings we have for our CTD Dodge's. Test riding in someones truck will only give you a real basic idea of what that individual transmission will do. There are few trucks out there that are bombed the same way or to the same level. What might work or feel great a 300 hp might not work as well with 500hp. The best thing to do is read, read and call each of the manufacturers and good luck because with the costs associated with them once you buy one you are gonna live with it for awhile. NUff said. :-{}

 

[R-N-R]

I think that is simply wonderful that we have two to three professional transmission setups to choose from. Each offering a high quality product, industry expertise, professionalism, competitive price, and quality service before, during, and after the sale.



When I'm ready to make my purchase, it will be from one of the three commonly mentioned on this site. In fact, I am likely to purchase from one of the two most "discussed" vendors. Sorry Dave, I guess you need more controversy...



Technology, Price, Color(?) , and Service Location will be my determining factors. I will never have to worry about whether or not I made the "right" choice as I will be confident that I purchased from the top shelf of the market. I'm happy to have a choice!



Bill

 

[D. Showan]

Stefan, Thanks for replying.



So I guess we're on the same page now. TCS does make torque converters for many companies in the automotive field as I thought. But you are saying they don't make converters for any of your direct competition (The Automotive Diesel aftermarket segment). I'll accept that.



Have a great day.

 

[JSmith]

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