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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Trip report + a couple of questions

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I have just returned from my first long trip with my truck. I had my camper aboard plus towing my M/C on a trailer. GCW was 9600 #, 760 of it in the trailer. (After my 1975 Dodge it was pure pleasure!!) My overall average fuel consumption was 13. 24 mpg, hand calculated, at about 70 mph for most of the time. The route was from Seattle to Montana, down to Idaho and to Lake Tahoe and finally home through N. Cal and Oregon. Just overn 2600 miles. Once I got to Montana I was on a high plateau that went up to 7000 feet as I traversed the Continental Divide.



Sorry to belabor the above, but I think it has a bearing on the performance.



I had picked up a new fuel pump from Cummins before I left, $157. 00 plus tax, as I was nervous about being stranded. I noticed that the pressure seemed to be falling the further I went and was down at 4 psi at wot in the high passes, out of O/D, to maintain speed. I decided at Winnemucca, NV to change the lift-pump. I had printed out the instructions that are sticky on this list for the 98. 5 CTD. They were not exactly the same on my 2000. The banjos are 17 mm and there was a 4-pin plug connected to the pump bracket, which was a bear to get off, (Any idea what this is for?) as was the power connection at the base of the old pump. One of the studs on the pump came out of the pump-body and it was very difficult to remove from the bracket. There was an overly liberal supply of thread locker on the stud threads. One of the recommendations was to get 2 new sealing washers, which I did.



I ask now why not 4? There are two required on each banjo. I put one new one against the pump-body and the other against the filter housing. I would feel a little easier if I had used all 4 as new. The new pump was built in July of this year, so hopefully all improvements will have been incorporated.

I bumped the starter a couple of times to prime the system (why does it not require bleeding?), once all was connected and the engine started 1st crank. I had 16 psi at idle and could not get the pressure to drop below 12 psi at 2000 rpm. At cruise the pressure remains at 12 psi and only drops to 9 or 10 at full throttle up a long pass.



One other recurring problem was the rubber boot connecting the turbo to the air charge cooler. (Intercooler) I had discovered it partly off before I left and had thought I had fixed it. But it blew off a couple of more times and the clue was the rise in the EGT. It would get up to 1200 deg on a long pull. I could control it by manually coming out of O/D. So..... while I was already dirty I decided to tackle the problem. I found that the metal tube between the two rubber boots was not at the optimum angle and the boot at the cooler was actually kinked. I took the whole thing apart and cleaned the mating surfaces and realigned the bent tube. All the boots went together much better without twists. Who knows how it got that way? No further problems and EGT never went above 600 deg, even around Lake Tahoe which is over 6000 feet.



Since I returned to sea level I have noticed something with my transmission that I never was aware of before. When starting off from a standstill with a light to medium throttle the transmission doesn't shift out of 1st gear until about 25 mph, which is 2200-2400 rpm, with my gearing. If I let off the throttle the rpm goes down to about 1000 as the truck coasts along, but gear doesn't shift. Back on the throttle rpm goes back up to 2200-2400 until truck gets to 25 mph and then it shifts to 2nd and just over 30 mph it shifts to 3rd. When I was on the trip with the camper I was mostly accellerating hard onto the freeway so I wasn't aware of this as a problem. Does the computer "learn"? Will it "unlearn" after a while in town? Or do I have a solenoid that is faulty, or some other problem? I could see nothing in the owner's manual that addresses the shifting speeds. When it does finally shift it does so with a bit of a bump. Oil level is normal, maybe just a tad high.



I'd really appreciate any input.



I'm sorry that this went on for so long... . once I started stuff kept popping into my head!!



My truck: White 2000 quad cab; 2WD; 3. 55 anti-spin; 47 RE;Long bed; 52300 miles; camper special and 265 75R 16 Michelins M/S.
 
IMunro – I’m assuming you have a 2500 since you say you have the camper special. I think that was a 2500 only option. I think it was just a couple extra leaf springs (to equal the same number of leaf springs as the 3500) and a sway bar. I have it too.



If it is a 2500, let me say, “Welcome to the overloaded club!” If it’s a 2500 the GVWR is 8,800 lbs. and you were 800 lbs over that. Good job! :D ;) Actually when I tow my 5’er, I range from 400 – 800 pounds over as well. Don’t let this bit of info even cause a hint of concern. At least it doesn’t for me. Discussions are long and can be dramatic about this, but usually its all speculation of what the problem (if there is any) may be.



Personally, I believe the OEM’s stick to the 8,800 lbs for GVWR on the 2500’s for historical reasons that may or may not still be warranted. Regardless, I don’t want to go too deeply into it, if you do though, PM me. Its not worth worrying about, but I find it interesting.



As for your report, and it being long-winded, I loved reading every word of it. I just got through putting about that many miles on my truck on Friday and Saturday. My biggest gripe about my whole truck is, the steering. I really have to watch where it goes and am continuously sawing that thing back and forth within its freeplay, just to hold a straight line. Its too busy. But I hear the 3rd Gen trucks have that problem fixed.



You posted great info about the lift pump replacement. I haven’t had to do it yet (the dealer has however), but my day is coming. I’ll have to get all greased up and do it at some point. About that 4 pin plug. If it’s the one I’m thinking of (on top the LP?), I had no problem pulling it off its seat (I did it accidently), but it was a pain to put back on. Mainly because I couldn’t see what I was doing, and was doing it all by feel.



Good catch on the boot leak. I think a lot of people don’t consider that, but leads to high EGT and low power. As for your transmission stuff, well its interesting reading, but since I have a 6 speed, I can’t comment on it. Good report, thanks for the post.



- JyRO
 
Trip report etc

Glad you enjoyed the report and thanks for the kind words.



Yes, my truck is a 2500. The GCW is not as bad as it seems in my 1st post. I stopped at a scales in NV and these are the results: Front axle=4120 Rear axle 4720 and trailer with M/c 760 lbs. There was probably 50 lbs on the tongue so I figure that I was right at 8800# for the truck.



What I have not been able to determine, since GVW is calculated with 245 75R 16 tires and no helper springs or sway bar, and I have 265 75R16 tires and the added springs and sway-bar, is what my GVW is now. I had absolutely no trouble controlling truck and I never felt that I was rolling in the corners. (Contrary to old D100 with additional springs(1 ton)It was always a white-knuckle affair to drive it much above 55 mph with the camper on. ) Dealer trots out the basic figures that are on the door-jam of 8800#



Incidentally, I met a gentleman at one of the forest camps I stayed at and he had an 98. 5 24 valve. I asked him if he had ever had trouble with his lift pump. He had 130000 miles on his truck, mostly pulling a 28' 5'er. He had to replace his pump just 3 weeks before at the dealer..... $685. 00. The pump alone was over $400 bucks!! Made me feel pretty good at about $175. incl. tax and an hour or so of communing with my truck. Seriously, I feel I know it so much better, now.



I think it is one of the best vehicles I have ever driven and so far have not encountered the dreaded wander. Is that not confined to 4WD vehicles? In the PNW we don't get a lot of snow and my previous vehicle was a Mercury Mountaineer which in 5+ years I never had to engage 4WD. I am retired, and if the weather stinks I just don't go out in it!



Thanks, again



Ian
 
Woops, I read it wrong. I thought you said 9,600 # GVWR, not GCWR. Sorry bout that. 9,600 # GCW is no problem at all. Ahhh yes, the wandering steering is only with the 4WD's, from what I hear. And a 4WD is what I have. Sounds like you have a heck of a good truck. You took the smart route to buy the LP up front and install it yourself. You saved what? $400 to $500? Good move.



- JyRO
 
IMunro,



I can see the comfort of having a spare LP. Suggestion - put the old one back on and get your dealer to replace it, you're still under 100k and not 5 years old - right? then you'll still have that $175 spare. You paid for the 100k warrenty even if you bought it used. I got mine w/75k and @ 99876 the LP was replaced @ dealer no charge. I'm on my 2nd LP out of my pocket and only @ 136k. So think about that $175 being in your pocket for the next pump after 100k. MHO.



Ditto on the "good catch" with the turbo hose. Question once you fixed the hose your EGT didn't go over 600? I assume that your temp probe is "post" turbo? Although I recall you mentioned a reading of 1200? Mine is pre turbo and regularly reads 7-900 cruising and 11-1200 @ WOT no load and about 300 @ idle before shutdown. :confused:



As far as the trans shifting, hmmmm, I had some funky things going on for a while too, mostly hunting in/out of OD. A quick fix, and you can try this as it's free and won't hurt a darn thing, was: disconnect both batteries for a few hours, connect em up again, turn key to on position (don't start) push go pedal slowly to floor (slow is the key here) and release slowly (also key), turn the ignition off. Count a few Missippies and go thru regular start process. What this does is reprograms the TPS (throttle position sensor). Like I said it's free and can't hurt a darn thing. I ended up purchasing a filter from DTT (Diesel Trans Technologies) for like $30 as the reprogram only lasted 3-6 mos. The designers @ DC, in their infinite wisdom, decided to run the wiring for the TPS harnessed with the same wires for the Alternator and a few other components, this situation as time goes by lends itself to the interference put off by the noise electrical things make as they age.



I agree too - best darn vehicle I ever owned. Good luck to you & yours.



Joe Mc
 
Trip report etc

Joe: That's a good idea, to put the old pump back on and keep the new one as a spare. In addition to the Cummins warantee I purchased an after-market warantee through the dealer. Yes, I understand that I probably wasted my money but as this was my first diesel truck I felt more comfortable doing so. I was worried about the transmission and big-ticket items like the VP-44. I didn't discover the TDR until after the deal was done. I might be very close on the Cummins warrantee as PO bought the truck very early in the model year. Will have to check that. The policy is cancellable at any time.



I called the dealer on the transmission thing and the transmission tech said that the computer had learned new tricks... . ie Full throttle accelleration. He implied that it should re-learn my current driving mode. I did try the unhook the battery thing but it made no difference. Perhaps I was not slow enough on the accellerator thing. I shall try it again and leave it overnight this time, with a little longer after the procedure before I start. Thanks for the tip. I shall also call DTT for the filter.



The probe for the pyrometer is post-turbo, I believe. It is tapped into the exhaust at the part that contains the BD exhaust brake... . ie just ahead of the firewall. Where would "pre-turbo" be? Between the turbo and the intercooler? I must confess to being a little confused about the terminology. Reading what I just wrote makes me wonder where it is!!! It is in the exhaust stream but downstream of the turbo/manifold connection. I guess pre-turbo must be in the manifold itself!!! I'm going mad.



Does anyone know what the transmission shift-points are? Are they speed or engine rpm controlled? Once in a while if I lift off just after 20mph it will shift into 2nd. So maybe it IS getting better.



Thanks again,



Ian
 
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