tsb's

[WarrenSims]

my 2004. 5 cummiins 600 engine number is 57131996. what tsb flashes do i need the dealer to flash in. i have noticed white smoke on occasions at start up in 40 degree temps. transmission always seams to shift hard and takes a long time to shift when in tow/haul mode.



does the tsb flashes help any

 

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TSBs

my 2004. 5 cummiins 600 engine number is 57131996. what tsb flashes do i need the dealer to flash in. i have noticed white smoke on occasions at start up in 40 degree temps. transmission always seams to shift hard and takes a long time to shift when in tow/haul mode.



does the tsb flashes help any

Warren,



The way it works is that you should take your truck into your dealer and they can input your VIN and it will show in thier system what TSBs are available for your truck. The only reason we talk about this TSB or that one is because your dealer doesn't send out anything telling you that a new one is out and that way we keep one another aware of fixes that may be available. The TSB that sounds like it may be for your white smoke is 18-037-04 and is the latest,... I believe out there for our trucks. It may or may not be available to you based on production dates etc. It will take them 5 or 10 minutes to tell you if they show your truck needing an update and just about as quickly to do the actual update so it's worth the trip. From experience I can't walk into the dealership and say I want 18-037-04. Also keep in mind that TSBs are cumulative. For instance there are things relative to my 04. 5 that have had fixes with various TSBs. If I don't go back to the dealer and don't have any problems, i. e. the white smoke you eluded to then they probably won't check it. But when and if they do,... usually at the owner's request due to a problem you bring them, then all relative TSBs (cumulative) will be addressed in a single download correction you will get. Hope this helps.

 

[PJ]

Warren,



The way it works is that you should take your truck into your dealer and they can input your VIN and it will show in thier system what TSBs are available for your truck. The only reason we talk about this TSB or that one is because your dealer doesn't send out anything telling you that a new one is out and that way we keep one another aware of fixes that may be available. The TSB that sounds like it may be for your white smoke is 18-037-04 and is the latest,... I believe out there for our trucks. It may or may not be available to you based on production dates etc. It will take them 5 or 10 minutes to tell you if they show your truck needing an update and just about as quickly to do the actual update so it's worth the trip. From experience I can't walk into the dealership and say I want 18-037-04. Also keep in mind that TSBs are cumulative. For instance there are things relative to my 04. 5 that have had fixes with various TSBs. If I don't go back to the dealer and don't have any problems, i. e. the white smoke you eluded to then they probably won't check it. But when and if they do,... usually at the owner's request due to a problem you bring them, then all relative TSBs (cumulative) will be addressed in a single download correction you will get. Hope this helps.

I find this very interesting and Im glad you pointed this out. I had my truck flashed with the mileage tsb @ 1,000 miles a month and a half ago. After that, I developed the white smoke problem. I just returned to the dealer and the re-flashed the computer with the white smoke in mind. Hopefully, tomorrow when I head to town, I wont be smoking out my front yard and the white smoke problem is gone. I hope that they addressed this issue. On another related subject, I asked to have the "fast idle" activated. When I got my truck back, they stated that my truck wasn't able to get that update as per my engine code or number. Thus, I have no "fast idle" option. Oh well, it would have been nice to have but Im not going to loose any sleep over that one. I really wil just be happy to say goodbye to the white smoke! Oo.

 

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for the Rest of the Story,....--Paul Harvey

PJ,



There's more. My opinion,... the TSB 18-037-04, which is to address the white smoke issue, is for very minimal white smoke complaints. If your talking the real deal white smoke,... like I think you are, then look to injectors as the culprit. The real test,... IMHO, is to let the truck sit for a few days and start it up. If you get considerably more white smoke, then you have an injector problem. In my situation I had this and it completely ingulfed my garage in seconds. This is a long process,... from my experience. It took at least 10 days from diagnosis, to seeking approval from STAR to getting it repaired "the first time"!!!! They got approval for 3 injectors initially. Then a few days passed and all was well and then the dreaded white smoke was back. Back in went the truck and another 10 days or so and 3 more injectors. For our math majors out there, that's 6! Before I even picked it up yet another injector was bad when they tested it the morning after the last install,(that's 7 injectors)... . glad they did as I wasn't bothered with another visit and higher blood pressure. That time did it. My service writer, who has been extremely upfront with me acknowledged this is a frequent problem with the 04. 5 injectors as they have a different spray pattern and holes than previous models,... but frankly I suspect it had much to do with where I was fueling. I quit fueling at that place and began using Stanadyne everyother fillup and I have had no more white smoke at all,... ZERO. People who say it's normal are wrong. I have none and the sound of the truck and the way it takes power is totally different than previous. It is a joy to hear the pure application of power without all the pinging, smoke, and yes,... . even miss which I didn't recognize until I heard something different than what I had had previously. If I were you I'd schedule your truck for an injector test and hope you have a dealer that cares a bit about turning out a good product. That's my $. 02. Hope it helps you.

 

[TTubb]

PJ,



There's more. My opinion,... the TSB 18-037-04, which is to address the white smoke issue, is for very minimal white smoke complaints. If your talking the real deal white smoke,... like I think you are, then look to injectors as the culprit. The real test,... IMHO, is to let the truck sit for a few days and start it up. If you get considerably more white smoke, then you have an injector problem. In my situation I had this and it completely ingulfed my garage in seconds. This is a long process,... from my experience. It took at least 10 days from diagnosis, to seeking approval from STAR to getting it repaired "the first time"!!!! They got approval for 3 injectors initially. Then a few days passed and all was well and then the dreaded white smoke was back. Back in went the truck and another 10 days or so and 3 more injectors. For our math majors out there, that's 6! Before I even picked it up yet another injector was bad when they tested it the morning after the last install,(that's 7 injectors)... . glad they did as I wasn't bothered with another visit and higher blood pressure. That time did it. My service writer, who has been extremely upfront with me acknowledged this is a frequent problem with the 04. 5 injectors as they have a different spray pattern and holes than previous models,... but frankly I suspect it had much to do with where I was fueling. I quit fueling at that place and began using Stanadyne everyother fillup and I have had no more white smoke at all,... ZERO. People who say it's normal are wrong. I have none and the sound of the truck and the way it takes power is totally different than previous. It is a joy to hear the pure application of power without all the pinging, smoke, and yes,... . even miss which I didn't recognize until I heard something different than what I had had previously. If I were you I'd schedule your truck for an injector test and hope you have a dealer that cares a bit about turning out a good product. That's my $. 02. Hope it helps you.

Where were you buying bad fuel? I have been buying mine at the Mobil by Kmart on manchester.

That was me following you on 109 a couple of days ago in the white 2500. Terry

 

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Ttubb

T,



Was I messing up?? If yes,. . it was me. If no, it wasn't. This was literally a couple days ago? Cause a week or so ago a white 2500 was behind me when a black Chebby gasser and I got into it,... again. Second time with that jerk. We're gonna get together in a week or so at a pub in Eureka. Dave Morris and I are gonna set it up for some local TDR members. Gonna kick dirt and tell lies. Wanna come? PM me.

 

[rbattelle]

If black smoke is caused by unburned fuel, what causes white smoke?



-Ryan

 

[DIESELMAN]

Black smoke isn't un-burned fuel, its incompletely burned fuel, plenty of heat but not enough air, white smoke is unburned fuel, essentially not heated enough to burn.



To much fuel on startup causes this, sorta like any old powerstroke with a few wasted glowplugs.

 

[rbattelle]

Thanks, Dieselman!



-Ryan