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A couple weeks ago, I was hauling approx. 10,500lbs with my 2009, 6. 7L, 3. 73 gears, equipped Ram (41,000 miles, completely stock). The exhaust brake button was engaged, and I was approaching my turn, so engaged the clutch, and dropped ‘er down into 3rd gear (traveling approx. 35 – 40 mph). I let the clutch out (nothing short of normal) and the truck started bucking like a bronco at the world’s fair, and the exhaust brake felt and sounded like it was kicking in and out of operation. So I quickly re-engaged the clutch, and used the trucks hydraulic braking system to slow down and make the turn. After I made the turn I let off the clutch and hit the accelerator. Instead of the turbo engaging and feeling the boost, it sounded as if the exhaust brake was still operating. So I cycled the clutch, and after a second or two the turbo seemed to engage, RPMs rose, and I was able to haul the load to my destination. However, it didn’t seem like the same beast it once was. The turbo kept operating quite abnormally. It would engage (full boost) at 1200 RPM and never disengage, or disengage at 3100+ RPMs (which is red line for my truck) or it wouldn’t engage at all, or it would cut in and out. There was no method /rhythm/pattern to its operation anymore. As a result, the check engine light came on, found the code, turbo failure, so I took it to the dealer for repair, because it is a warranty item.



Talking to the dealer, the only thing they are concerned with is replacing the turbo. But I want to know what could have caused this problem. Because I have performed the same procedure hauling the same trailer and same skid steer twice before with no problems.



So I walked around back and found a diesel mechanic named Carl. Speaking with him I discovered he had a wealth of information regarding the 6. 7s. But basically, the ONLY thing that we could decide upon, that could have possibly contributed to this occurrence (from a preventative/scheduled maintenance standpoint), was the fact that I was still running the original fuel filter (which he repeatedly told me to make sure I change every 15,000 miles). He explained that this could lead to a plugged up/malfunctioning EGR valve and dirty exhaust, resulting in turbo failure (due to an order of operations type scenario). Anyways, it is going to take 2-3 weeks for them to replace the turbo because it is on back order.



I say all that, to say this… Has anyone else had this experience or similar? I have noticed several different people on here, who have had to have their turbo replaced with <40,000 miles on their odometer. Also, will the old turbo be sent back to Chrysler or Cummins for analysis? I would really like to know what factor(s) contributed to this failure so that I can take preventative measures, or, possibly forecast/prepare for other engine problems resulting from this incident. Did I use the exhaust break improperly? I have hauled several loads (greater than and less than 10,000#) and operated the exhaust break in the same manner, with no adverse effects. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.



Thank You,



Bobby H.
 
Well first of all, you better hope you don't have any fuel system related problems now or down the road. Running 40,000 without changing the fuel filter is not good. Chrysler has been getting more strict on service, and if you have not maintained the truck to the minimum level (fuel filter @ 15,000) they are not going to cover the fuel system. Can't blame them. You would not think of running your $20,000 engine with the same oil filter for that many miles.

Beyond that, if you have some fuel contamination that is causing the injectors to stick and over fuel, it causes the system to soot up way more than normal and it sticks the turbo. Your 09 has the latest design turbo housing and there have been very few failures on late model trucks. Excessive soot is what causes them to stick, so if I were you, change the filter yesterday with the new dual stage spin on Mopar filter, and run a can of CRC Diesel Fuel Therapy in about 1/2 tank of fuel. Drive it hard and you will clean up any minor deposits that may be there.
 
sag2 - agree that he needs to change the fuel filter every 15k or 1yr whichever is less and its importance.



question - could you please expand on your comment that you're seeing far fewer turbo failures on late model trucks and any theory as to why?

my '08 had turbo replaced @ 21k and I still worry about how that little $3k item is holding up - holset site said most common cause of failures were oil & air - did J35 fix the original problem? is my '08 still considered a late model? sure hope '09's aren't failing already.

Thanks.
 
You say the check engine light came on and you found a code for the turbo did you happen to notice which DTC "P" code was set?



Mike
 
dodge is replacing my turbo for the second time. dealership said its a "ae" level turbo which means nothing to me. could someone shed a little lite on this new turbo and what makes it better than the ad level. had the turbo and egr cleaned but soot has won another one. Will this ever stop? when I reach 100000 miles Im screwed. will unplugging the egr help
 
dodge is replacing my turbo for the second time. dealership said its a "ae" level turbo which means nothing to me. could someone shed a little lite on this new turbo and what makes it better than the ad level. had the turbo and egr cleaned but soot has won another one. Will this ever stop? when I reach 100000 miles Im screwed. will unplugging the egr help



how many miles have you gotten out of your turbos?

I have only had one (that would be one too many imo) replaced @ 21k on my '08, about to 40k now

page 42 of latest tdr says there is ab, ac, ad turbo, and the ad has a stronger actuator motor and the slide has a coating on it to resist soot build up so ae must be even better!!! lucky you getting AE under warranty... lol



will it ever stop - nope



warranty - what is your understanding? mine was that turbo is 3yr/36k factory then 5yr/50k falls under cummins, turbo not covered past that - $3. 3k part and don't know how many hours labor (mine was in shop 3 days for it)... man o man what a deal
 
Same here!

dodge is replacing my turbo for the second time. dealership said its a "ae" level turbo which means nothing to me. could someone shed a little lite on this new turbo and what makes it better than the ad level. had the turbo and egr cleaned but soot has won another one. Will this ever stop? when I reach 100000 miles Im screwed. will unplugging the egr help



Truck in shop after P2262 showed up and Service Required light came on the overhead. They had replaced the turbo, EGR, Cat convert back in June. Only driven 6K since then. Warranty pays... ...



Ken
 
my turbo was replaced at 21k. no big problems since, just the constant reflashes. now at 71k and p2262code pops up so they cleaned the turbo. drove the truck 200 miles and 2262 returns. now have a AE turbo on back order. my dealer (weaver motors in kirbyville tx) has been nothing but a pleasure to deal with, but this is getting old. driving this truck, which I love to do, is really a "keep your fingers crossed" situation.
 
CHrysler gave me a nice shiny new 'AE' turbo. The previous model lasted about 3000 miles. Hope this one lasts longer!

Ken
 
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