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I am looking to up-grade my turbo housing to either the 14/wastegated or the 16 w/o wastegate. Why is their such a big price difference between the two? the most popular brings the most money? I will be using a larger set of inj`s (370`s TIA anyone know about the approx. hp addition these would make on a 215 man. ?

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Goatherder `96 3500 blk 4-"exh. all gauges, k&n want a (little) more h. p.

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<font color=blue>Just so you know, the BullyDog Injectors you have listed there are for 24v engines.

The 370's would work in a 12v.

On the Turbo Housings, the only difference I know of for the price difference is one is wastegated and the other is not. I just bought a whole new turbo (HX40) so I don't have to worry bout that debate #ad
 
A friend here in town has 2 wastegated 14's avialabe for half the going rate, for anyone who's interested. He's also got a 4" exhaust system minus the clamps for $300.
 
Each 2 cm in size will ruduce boosts at all throttle positions by about 2 psi, except full throttle since that is controlled by the wastegate.
Example; if you cruise at 60 mph and now have 7 psi, and you change to a 14cm2 you will have about 5psi.
Your peak boost is only affected by how tight your wastegate is adjusted, and how much fuel you have available.
Changing to a larger housing will move peak torque to a higher rpm as well as peak hp.
You have to decide where you need more power, in the lower or upper rpms.
If you need more power in the upper rpms then a bigger turbo housing is for you.
Keep in mind that a bigger housing will loose response and will be more smokey on acceleration.

Me, I like the torque more than the hp, since that is what will move big wieght.

Ted Jannetty


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Ted Jannetty, Owner President, Jannetty Racing Enterprises, Inc.
97 3500 4x4 club cab 5spd. RED, JRE custom power kit, JRE 4" exhaust
JRE 1/2 inch fuel system, Bosch 300 hp injectors, Prime loc,
Cummins chrome kit, US Gear 20% over drive, 3. 54 posi, Autometer
Ultralite 50lb. boost, and Pyrometer, BD exhaust brake.
Horton fan clutch

99 Ski-Doo 800 Formula III Pipes, reeds, studs and clutching 172 hp
99 Honda Forman 450 ES jet kit, pipe, lift kit, 27" Mud Runners
2001 Ski-Doo MXZ 800 X stock for now 140 hp
2000 TransAm Ram Air WS6 Flowmaster, K&N, Granatelli Mass air meter, LS1 Lid 370 hp
1973 Camaro Rally Sport Street Strip 850+ HP
 
ARE these different housings all DIRECTLY interchangeable with the factory originals in the first generation trucks? If not, what mods or additional hardware is needed?

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Goatherder, on Piers recommendation, I went with the N/WG 16 for the reduction in EGT. With my current fueling levels (340 RWHP), I haven't noticed any significant lag. This is on a daily driver with occasional hauling duties.

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I just have to throw in my results of the three years of research on the turbocharger exhaust housing testing that I did for A. W. D. Back in the day, everyone was just going along with the 16cm housing and that was it. Then a few guys were taking a 12 housing and "modifying" the wastegate and getting massive low end power from the combination of the 12cm housing and a big set of nozzles. I too joined the 12cm testing and due to the intense fueling and resultant high drive pressure and increased cylinder pressure, head gasket failure occurred. In looking at the head gasket, it looked as if it went through a war with breaches in the gasket between the cylinders and the water jackets. Upon putting the engine back together after lowering the compression to better suit the power and boost the engine will be sustaining, I went with the 14cm housing. Still had pretty good low end power, but the engine was not up to snuff in the higher rpms. Not a week later, I tossed the 14cm housing into the collection of old housings and bolted back on my 16cm housing and with the OEM turbo it was by far the best combination for the 370B injection nozzles in the testing. My 7000 lb truck was pulling 15. 5 second times at 92 mph in the quarter mile on all terrain tires with the transfer case in 2 wheel drive. The 16 housing also is helpful in reducing egts and drive pressure, which will add reliability and help keep you from having to pull the head off your engine (or even worse pay someone to do it for you). I still was running with hp figures in the 500 range, which is out of the efficiency band of the 16cm housing on the HX35 turbo. Piers at BD was just at the time testing the HX40 18. 5cm turbo and I immediately ordered up the first one he could send out my way. Boost went up from 45psi to 50+psi, power shot through the roof, and egts came down to almost respectable limits. Quarter mile times stayed the same, however, in spite of the fact that I was spinning the rear wheels even in fourth and fifth gears. Mph came up to 97 mph at the top end of the track. The HX40 18. 5 turbo also reduced the drive pressure significantly and I have no problem pulling any trailers, nor do I have any turbo lag problems that I have read about in similar postings over the past few months. I hope this is useful in helping you make the decision.

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AUTO WURKS DIESEL R&D TEAM
1997 5sp 4X4, Rhino Linings, Espar Heater, A. W. D. HX40 turbo, ATS 3pc Manifold, BD 4" Brake, Marine Compression, A. W. D. Custom Tuned Injection Pump, A. W. D. Intercooler, A. W. D. 370B Injection Nozzles, Delivery Valves, Governor & AFC Spring Kit, Psychotty Air, A. W. D. Water Injection, NOS Diesel Kit, A. W. D. 6" Chrome Exhaust System, BD No Smoke Valet Switch, McLeod Dual Disc Clutch, Mag-Hytec Rear Cover, Cummins Chrome Kit, Optima Red Tops, Hadley Bully Horns, Hurst Line Loc, Goodyear Wrangler AT/S 305/70/16s.
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I too have been thinking of going to the 16cm housing but am afraid of the low end turbo lag and was wondering if it would be more noticeable since I have the 3. 54's with 285's tires and the 280 cam plate (#11?). Because when puling in the mountains I really have to watch egt's they will hit 1300 in no time at all plus I just may have to go to the 370 injectors also #ad


Paul

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'96 2500 ext. cab, LB, 4x4, 5 speed, 3. 54, TST 280 cam plate, AFC spring kit ,pyro and boost gauges mounted on A-Pillar, tinted windows, 16x8 Eagle alloys series 1219, 285/75R16 Durango A/T's, stainless steel rocker panels and alluminum stirrup steps
 
Just got mine from Sportbike #ad

Will let yall know what I find out after install.


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95' 2500 5spd, 2wd reg cab 131,000
TST #4 plate kit, 370 Diamond B injectors, Afc spring kit, Gov. spring kit,TST's fuel pressure adapter and 2 guage pillar mount, SPA EGT/Boost guage. Joe D's Sachs clutch is in.
K&N Re-0880 & Prefilter. Cup Smoothie.
To be installed: MagHytec, 16cm2 Housing from Sportbike(thanks). Royal Purple oil, Finger Touch drain plug.
 
I have had my 16CM2 housing for some time now. I installed it with 370 HP injectors the same day. I did the turbo first and then took it to lunch with the stock injectors my #11 plate(280hp/685) was all the way forward and my AFC setting qwas lean and there was a very slight lag that I know could have been taken care of with a richer AFC setting. I changed out the stock injectors for the 370 HP injectors and there was no lag at all infact after two blocks I was back pushing the torque plate back to the stock position because of clutch slippage. I have for the winter put back in my #12 plate(230hp/605)in the stock position and am getting just a puff of smoke pre boost and there is no noticible lag and she tow great as long as I don't put the hammer down too soon to keep the clutch happy.
 
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