Two questions

[DonFitzwater]

1. Who is the best injection shop in the Pacific Northwest to buy NEW common rail injectors from?



2. Why are so many companies charging a core charge on NEW injectors?

 

[Wingate]

Cant help with the first question. . but on the second one I would guess that they are either selling them to core rebuilders or using them as rebuildable cores to seed their own Reman program... Either way, kinda sounds shady... .

 

[DonFitzwater]

I have never heard of anyone charging a core charge for new parts. This is why I asked.

 

[jhenderson]

Industrial Injection told me that Bosch wants the cores back so they don't end up in the aftermarket as re-mans.

 

[cerberusiam]

Bosch wants the cores so they can reman them because they cannot keep up with the demand for new.

 

[TCDiesel]

Bosch wants the cores so they can reman them because they cannot keep up with the demand for new.

Correct. . The entire parts making world is moving in this Direction, New Terms are now used Genuine New Means that most parts are Brand New ,Remans Mean some parts are new other are re used, this Word Reman is the Most deceptive, R/R (Remove Replace) this means Parts harvesting, Reconditioned Means Parts are Re-done to new condition, a Block/Head may be a candidate for Reconditioning.



Genuine New is the best injector You can buy today,these would Be the same injector that Would be install in NEW Engines today. When Buying Injectors ALWAYS ask if Genuine NEW Bosch or Place of origin,if they don't answer quick, they don't know.

 

[mwilson]

I have never heard of anyone charging a core charge for new parts. This is why I asked.

It's done all the time, you just don't notice it.



A Cummins part that ends in "NX" is new exchange, it will have a core charge.

Part numbers ending in "RX" are ReMan. The better grade of ReMan injectors end with "PX".



Cat will grab production parts, re-number them as reman and hand them out as a reman part with a core charge.



Detroit Diesel will put an "E" in front of the part number rather "R" if it is a new part with exchange.



Both reasons given above are accurate, 1st seeding the reman program so they have rebuildable cores to get the exchange process started and 2nd keeping the cores out of the hands of competitors is important as well.



Mike.

 

[mwilson]

Correct. . The entire parts making world is moving in this Direction, New Terms are now used Genuine New Means that most parts are Brand New ,Remans Mean some parts are new other are re used, this Word Reman is the Most deceptive, R/R (Remove Replace) this means Parts harvesting, Reconditioned Means Parts are Re-done to new condition, a Block/Head may be a candidate for Reconditioning.



Genuine New is the best injector You can buy today,these would Be the same injector that Would be install in NEW Engines today. When Buying Injectors ALWAYS ask if Genuine NEW Bosch or Place of origin,if they don't answer quick, they don't know.

Remanufactured versus Rebuilt... ... ...



Some companys such as Eaton clutch will offer the two choices with Remanufactured being the superior choice. It will have a new pressure plate for example where the Rebuilt will have a pressure plate that has been ground down which gives less service but is cheaper... ...



So watch the terminology and don't be afraid to ask questions... ... it's your money.



Mike.

 

[TCDiesel]

Yep. . Terminology is very important ALWAYS ask.

 

[Wingate]

Cat will grab production parts, re-number them as reman and hand them out as a reman part with a core charge.



Mike.

I see this done every day... Customer always ends up with the better end of the deal with this process. .

Most of the time, the actual part will not even have a reman # on it, just the box will have a reman #.

Sometimes, if there isn't a reman in the local Cat parts Depot, after the reman is ordered, Cat will go in and keystroke a change to their depot and have them pull a new part (not reman) take a black ink marker and write the reman # on the box over the new part number and the customer gets a brand new part for the cost of a reman and the customer will have a core charge...

But, if I read the OP right, he is paying new part( not reman) prices, yet the manufacturer/seller is requiring a core charge... IMO, thats not right...

 

[mwilson]

Could be like the Cummins way, "NX" parts cost more that "RX" parts.

Cat doesn't offer the Reman like that as you say.



I will try to find a real world Cummins injector example in the morning for comparison.



Mike.

 

[Tractor Jack]

1. Who is the best injection shop in the Pacific Northwest to buy NEW common rail injectors from?



2. Why are so many companies charging a core charge on NEW injectors?

Go to Dynomite Diesel in Monroe.

 

[mainer29]

Oregon Fuel Injection.
Oregon Fuel Injection, Rebuilt diesel injection pump, turbo, injectors, diesel performance products and repair parts for diesel pick-ups.

 

[mwilson]

Could be like the Cummins way, "NX" parts cost more that "RX" parts.

Cat doesn't offer the Reman like that as you say.



I will try to find a real world Cummins injector example in the morning for comparison.



Mike.

Using the ESN from my '06 this is what I found for pricing...



5263316 New $628. 35 None in stock, doubtful that these are available right now.



5263316NX New with core charge. $615. 98 plus core charge of $96. 00



5263316PX Reman with core charge $415. 45 plus core charge of $96. 00



Mike.

 

[DonFitzwater]

I called Dynomite Diesel and they have a good price on new plus a 1200. 00 core charge. I'd rather go Reman for a set of injectors but the track record of remans hasn't been that great from what I've been reading.



Do any of you have an opinion on reman quality/longevity? The stockers in this truck have gone 100k and are only now starting to give minor starting problems due to bypass.

 

[Tractor Jack]

You just said it yourself, the track record isn't that great on remans. Looking at the cost of engine repair/replacement from injector problems with the CR there is no way I would shortcut cost for a reman. Everything else around the injector is just iron, the injector is the heart pulse of your truck.

 

[Prairie Dog]

I'd have to agree, remans have a bad history. I'm trying to prepare myself for the purchase of a set of new parts someday - it's a chunk of change though!

 

[cerberusiam]

Do any of you have an opinion on reman quality/longevity? The stockers in this truck have gone 100k and are only now starting to give minor starting problems due to bypass.

Its not a matter of opinion on the the remans, its a matter of experience. No matter what the opinions are the experience has been CRAP!



The dealer techs like Bob4x4 and sag2 pretty much validate that, its not good.



An injector that goes bad while driving will fill the crank case with fuel and melt a piston with no indications. The first thing you notice will be a loud knock and then things go downhill from there. It is simply not worth the risk when the damage can be so high.



If all you have is 100k on an 06 and issues are starting you need to a) change where your buying your fuel and b) get some more filtration or you will be in the same boat just as soon or sooner.



Just bite the bullet and get new injectors while adding the filtration. IMO, doing anything less is a waste of time and $$$.

 

[TCDiesel]

I have a Nick name for Reman CR Injector, Its and expensive Marry-go-round, the risk and the hassle I have experience with them is NOT worth the profit. . Its In MY opinion and injustice to promote them WITHOUT discouraging the owner or making Him full aware of the problem(s) that May develop. Then leave the decision Up to him if they are willing to incur the additional risk.

 

[cerberusiam]

Quick!!! Bookmark this thread!!! Oo.



Todd and I agree on something!!!







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