Un-Freaking believable!!

[demodogg]

In two days time the price of diesel in my area went from 1. 97 to 2. 15!!!!!!



Other than greed from 'Big Oil' there is no way on this earth that diesel should be that high, let alone be higher than reg unleaded! Sorry, I know this topic has been beat to death but this really p*sses me off to no end #@$%! .

 

[DBogo]

welcome to my world its $2. 39 here

 

[DKarvwnaris]

No wonder I never moved back to NY after graduating high school and joining the Navy. (I don't miss the rust either)

The fact that I am paying just under $1. 78 a gallon leads me to think it "ain't the arabs" screwing you, its your own state elected officials getting their "love on" with you. Keep voting for state funded programs, its a great way to reduce taxes

 

[macdaddy]

Hey Dem!

Wait until you see the price of diesel this summer! :-{} . especially the CARB spec we run here in Ca enjoy the prices while they last.



You can expect a sharp rise in about a year from now when the ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) is fazed in that would be the EPA spec that will be nation wide.



PS I make diesel for a living!!!

 

[DKarvwnaris]

PS I make diesel for a living!!!

How do I filter out that horrible red dye from my farm fuel, it is plugging up my combine and tractors fuel filters, not to metion staining my work clothes. :-laf

 

[Shrimpy]

Let's put our thinking caps on for a moment gentlemen. Ask yourself how a COMMODITY jumps that amount in a couple of days.

1. Pure greed; i. e. station operator pushing price up or the jobber who supplies him. If this is the case, and a person could prove it, you could reap a nice little "reward" thru consumer protection laws. This would be hard to "prove" but a bulldog attorney would suck it up if they thought they could prove it.

2. Big Oil Manipulation... . see above.

3. The Commodity Markets; AAAAhhhhh yes, the good old free market. Here my friends is where the RISE in prices of COMMODITIES (of which diesel is one) takes form. From the comfort of your home, in your underwear, you to can buy Diesel Fuel, pre tax. Only thing is, to follow thru with the purchase you must have storage for roughly 55,000 gallons of diesel fuel.



Don't think for a moment that ANY and EVERY large scale diesel user didn't buy diesel for possibly the next six months at the recent lowered prices. This in turn caused a spike in prices when the market sees less avaliable. Since the dot com bubble, folks who "day traded" are now looking at commodities to play every day.



If you still think my view is wrong, do some investigation on commodity markets the last three years.



Jim

 

[DKarvwnaris]

If you still think my view is wrong, do some investigation on commodity markets the last three years.



Jim

I know all about commodities, father in law is a broker.

Just giving the guys a hard time.

Local state taxes are getting worse in the new year I see as well though. time to throw some diesel in the Boston Harbor and start running wesson oil in the tanks!!

 

[Shrimpy]

DKarvwnaris, I agree completely. They keep sneaking in Taxes on the fuels and everyone blames from the station operator up to the Big Oil Boardrooms.



Kind of like the guy in school who could "throw his Voice" and get others in trouble. It is happening at the state level... ... .



Jim

 

[DKarvwnaris]

So how does one boycott fuel or its tax collected effectively? Seems that everything I have thought about is either illegal or ineffective.



Buying from one fuel station is stupid so don't even mention it as anything but an uneducated thought. Fuel is bought and traded between fuel conglomerates to eliminate transportation costs.



Buying on a certain day of the month only means the fuel sales are delayed, not prevented.



Colonizing the middle east would waste too much time, bombing them to the dark ages would only reduce our fuel reserves.



Funding our own farmers to produce vegetable based fuel such as sunflower or corn base oil would require too many politics. It would also go against the US AG programs that mimic welfare to most farmers. (I grew up on a farm, don't tell me it doesn't happen, I know better after seeing crop fields go barren for years on end. it wasn't just rotation).



Other ideas I have heard are liable to label me as a terrorist promoter for posting on a public forum. (which I am not, unless you reside in the Persian Gulf)

 

[nickleinonen]

$0. 799 per liter for diesel out my way [cdn funds] biodiesel is going for ±$0. 05 more

 

[CGriffith]

Could the recent cold snap and snow in the NE cause the price to jump like that? Maybe a temporary increase in demand followed by higher prices. Prices usually go up slower than that.

 

[hammersley]

What color is the sky in your world????

If you believe the price of diesel is remotely related to the supply - then heaven help you! I mean who makes these reports - the Fox who is watching the Chicken house. Bull Dog Reporters - where in the heck are they going to get their info - FROM the FOX! ASK any of the guys who have been in IRAQ as to what the cost of fuel at the service station is TODAY in IRAQ???



5 cents a gallon - that's right - 5 frigging cents! And that's NO BS story gentlemen!

 

[Rman]

trust me, if no one bought it the price would plummet. The best answer, for purely lowering the price of diesel, is to never buy it again. That's the true problem, no one... yet is willing to do this. When it hits 5 bucks a gallon perhaps some people will reconsider a lifestyle change.

 

[DPinkston]

I'm beginning to wonder if I hopped on the diesel bandwagon a few years too late. As long as diesel and gas prices are within 15 cents or so of each other I can still come out ahead economically, but all this uncertainty is making me critique my conversion decision. I love my truck with the Cummins, but I switched to diesel for economy plain and simple and if I can't have that it wasn't worth the expense. In short, I need a return on my investment.

Danny

 

[DMoon]

DPinkston, are you still in the Navy? I'm a retired Senior Chief (SS/SW) and just wonderin'

 

[rbattelle]

Imagine how bad the trucking companies must be suffering. Eventually the price of everything shipped by truck is going to start going up fast.



Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of petroleum-based fuels? Will future historians point to 1995-2020 as the gradual decline and elimination of petroleum as a viable fuel?



-Ryan

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Imagine how bad the trucking companies must be suffering. Eventually the price of everything shipped by truck is going to start going up fast.



Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of petroleum-based fuels? Will future historians point to 1995-2020 as the gradual decline and elimination of petroleum as a viable fuel?



-Ryan

Hee hee hee, that's funny. Petro fuel is going to be relied on regardless of cost until it is extinct. Too much of of our world is dependant upon it. You can't just switch the rivers path mid stream, it takes alot more work than what any whining consumer or eco group will be able to achieve.

As much as I would love to shove the taxes up the bureacrats backsides on fuel, and bankrupt every petro company that is pushing the price up regularly lately, it won't happen.

I work for myself, all my fuel is written off as business expense, taxes on it as well. The only person who is truely hurt by fuel costs is the end consumer. I don't like putting a fuel % on my bills to people, but I won't do business without figuring it in to their job.

Ever since oil became a commodity traded product, the ability to control its price in our favor went out the window. You can thank your stock broker and money market boys for that one. It is too vital a resource to be marketed that way in my eyes. It is the back bone for nearly all civilized (and uncivilized) cultures.

There is no way we'll see a oil reduction/ phase out program in my lifetime. Especially since we just started colonizing the middle east and Canada has now began full scale processing of the oil slate reserves. They have been researching and waiting for the barrel prices to get high enough to make them competitive with their refinement process, now its pay day for them.

 

[DPinkston]

DPinkston, are you still in the Navy? I'm a retired Senior Chief (SS/SW) and just wonderin'

Must have me confused with someone else. I've never been in the Navy.

Danny

 

[DPinkston]

Canada has now began full scale processing of the oil slate reserves they have been researching and waiting for the barrel prices to get high enough to make them competitive with their refinement process.

Might be a silver lining in this for me. I am sitting on about 53 acres of oil shale.

Danny

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Might be a silver lining in this for me. I am sitting on about 53 acres of oil shale.

Danny

Don't know if you have enough land to justify the setup costs, maybe in the future when they get the refineries scaled to meet small veins of supplies it will pay off. As of now, they are running full mining operations up north, I have only read the tech articles and profit reports on it so far. The machines are HUGE that they use to excavate the oil sands/ slates. They process ther own diesel to run the entire facility, now thats self reliance!!