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rbattelle

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I thought I'd take a little time to talk about my own personal Hell that I just went through in the hopes that others might learn from my pain.

Having noticed a loud grinding noise when turning (but no vibration whatsoever, interestingly), I set out on October 13th (Friday the 13th) to replace my driver side front axle universal joint. Had I known where this project would take me, I might not have begun it.

The main problem was removing the hub/bearing assembly from the steering knuckle. I knew this would be a problem, but set out optimistically on the 13th to start beating on the bearing in hopes that over a period of several hours I could work it loose.

Here are some things I learned along the way. I hope they help you.

1. The axle nut is 1-11/16". I strongly recommend getting a 3/4" square-drive breaker bar, 8" extension, and a 1-11/16" 6-point socket. Don't use a 12-point; the torque on the axle nut is 262 ft-lb. I used an Armstrong 22" breaker bar (p/n 13-918) and a Williams 1-11/16" impact socket.

2. The cotter pin in the axle is 1/8". Get at least 1. 5" length - I used a 2" stainless for replacement.

3. The caliper adapter mounting bolts have red Loctite applied from the factory. For those unfamiliar with red Loctite, it is "permanent" strength. That means there are no mechanical means of removing the fastener if the product has been properly applied. Having said that, I managed to remove the lower bolt using every ounce of my strength with my giant aforementioned 3/4" breaker bar; that's how I discovered the bolts were Loctited in place. To remove the upper one, I applied heat with a propane torch (Loctite specifies 490F for 5 minutes). Note that heat application is complicated by the close proximity of the ABS sensor to the upper mounting bolt, but it can be done without damaging that sensor or otherwise melting anything.

4. DO NOT replace the Loctite on the caliper mounting bolts with anti-seize! After 1 week as such both of the mounting bolts loosened up on me. That was pretty stupid of me (Dodge engineers screw up so many things, who would've thought they'd get that one right?). When replacing the bolts, clean them up good with acetone or some other degreaser and apply medium strength (usually blue) Loctite (which can be removed with ordinary hand tools).

5. Some good news. Even after 4 winters in a salt bath the axle probably will not be fused to the inside of the bearing assembly.

6. To pull the bearing you will require a gear puller large enough to grab the wheel flange, which is almost 10". I used an OTC 1038 , which is a 7-ton 2/3 jaw model.

7. 7-tons is not enough force to remove a bearing that has been sufficiently fused with the knuckle. As Steved pointed out to me in another thread, the axle will move back into the differential during the press so that the axle yoke contacts the axle tube, so there is no danger of damaging the differential by applying so much force.

8. No amount of pounding with a 2. 5-lb sledge, no matter how strong you are, will loosen the bearing. I was able to severely deform one of the mounting bolt holes by this method, with absolutely no effect on the bearing. I spent no less than 8 hours actively pounding on the bearing with the 2. 5-lb sledge and had absolutely no effect whatsoever on it. I might as well have spit at the bearing for 10 minutes.

9. No amount of hammering with an air hammer had any effect. I was able to make some interesting indentations and deformations in the bearing with my fancy new Chicago Pneumatic 715 air hammer, but these were just that - interesting to look at.

10. The bearing finally budged with a combination of: 1) 7-tons force applied to the puller, 2) massive repeated blows to the backside of the wheel flange with a 14-lb sledge, and 3) extreme heat applied liberally to the knuckle with an oxy-acetylene torch. This caused the bearing itself to separate, but (thank God) just before it separated the part that was stuck in the knuckle moved out of the knuckle roughly 1/32" (indicating the rust had been broken).

11. It is apparently all right to crank the wheel all the way to one side during the above carnage in order to provide room to swing the sledge. Near as I can tell, no damage was done to anything from doing this. We'll see in a few weeks if my tires start wearing funny from bad ball joints.

12. Once the bearing has separated (and hopefully the part still in the knuckle has budged at least a tiny bit), the bearing can be worked the rest of the way with about an hour worth of cold chisel (use a BIG chisel) and 2. 5 lb sledge work. The bearing will not "give up" until the last 0. 001" has been hammered out.

13. I used a half-round ******* file to clean up the steering knuckle. It had so much rust in it that the new bearing would have needed to be pressed in. With about an hour of careful work, I was able to clean the bore enough that the new bearing slid in with no pressure whatsoever.

14. This process will almost certainly destroy the brake dust shield, which is sandwiched between the bearing and the knuckle. Order a new one ($14 at one of the online dealers) before starting the job.

15. Driving around without the aforementioned brake shield installed won't hurt anything. Note that it will, however, cause the axle to sit roughly 0. 030" farther toward the differential, which means the axle seal will be running in a slightly different position. Mine didn't leak, but it did make me a little nervous (if you think the hub/bearing removal is hard, you should see the procedure for changing an axle seal!).

16. Quite a bit of force is required to pull the axle out of the differential. I assume this is because it has to squeeze the axle seals on removal. Pull HARD. For whatever reason, it slides back in at the end of the job with almost no effort. Apply some good quality grease to the axle before sliding it back in.

17. For reassembly, buy yourself some of the highest quality anti-seize lubricant you can find. Personally, I like Nickel based. The nickel particles seem to stick like glue to things (including your hands). I bought a 1-lb can of premium "Saf-T-Eze" for $40. It has super-fine Nickel and the consistency of peanut-butter (it looks good enough to eat). Whatever you buy, SLATHER it everywhere. My personal goal was to pack so much anti-seize into the knuckle that there simply isn't enough room for any water to get in. There is no such thing as "too much".

18. If you remove it, wrap the differential-end of the axle with some rags to prevent damage.

19. The threads on the end of the axle are 1-1/8", 18TPI.

This job was the single hardest, most painful (I think I fractured a finger), horrible mechanical experience of my life. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'm not joking around. Everything that could go wrong, did. And the bad news is I know the passenger side is not far from needing the same work.

I've spared you the details of some of the bad luck I experienced, but the purpose of this thread is to help others learn from my mistakes. Above all, be prepared well in advance with all the tools and parts you'll need and the tremendous amount of force that will be required!

Here's a quick list of the items I used:
1. 1/2" ratchet and various extensions.
2. 18mm socket for the bearing bolts and caliper adaptor bolts.
3. 1/2" socket for the caliper bolts.
4. Pry bar or long screwdriver for removing the caliper.
5. Some sort of straps to secure the caliper to the truck while you work. I used a couple cargo tie-down straps and tied the caliper to the upper control arm.
6. 6-point 3/4"-drive 1-11/16" socket.
7. 3/4" breaker bar. The longest you can find.
8. At least a 6" extension for the 3/4" breaker bar.
9. A 1/2-to-3/4 drive adaptor.
10. A 3/4-to-1/2 drive adaptor.
11. A torque wrench capable of at least 250 ft-lb. Axle nut spec is 262, but I figure 250 is close enough.
12. The heaviest sledge hammer you can find. Mine is 14-lb.
13. The heaviest short-handled sledge hammer you can find. Mine is 2. 5 lb.
14. A minimum 7-ton gear puller with minimum 11" spread. Prefer 3-jaw.
15. Oxy-acetylene torch outfit.
16. Some medium strength Loctite for the caliper adapter bolts.
17. A propane torch to heat up the factory red Loctite. You could use the oxy-acetylene outfit, but I think that's a little too much heat.
18. The best anti-seize lubricant you can afford. Get a lot of it. Apply it to everything (except the caliper adapter bolts).
19. A big half-round ******* file and perhaps a second-cut mill file for cleaning up the knuckle.
20. A series of needle files and thread files in case you damage any threads (like I did). Note that the axle threads (1-1/8"-18) are specialty and would require a special-order ($$$) hex die.
21. A friend to help. Anyone in the Dayton/Cincinnati/Columbus area can contact me. I'd gladly drive an hour out of my way to prevent someone else having to suffer this way.

The picture of the inner part of the bearing doesn't do justice to the wretched state of corrosion it's in. In real life it looks like it's spent a lifetime lying at the bottom of the ocean.

Ryan
 
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Gary - K7GLD said:
JEEZE Ryan - why didn't you just spend the $20 for labor the local DC dealership wanted for the job? :-laf :-laf

An excellent question, and one that many friends and relatives asked me over the last few weeks. The answer is, because now I know it's done right and the axle will come apart easily in the future. Besides, I've made it my personal mission to see that I don't finance more bad engineering at Dodge by patronizing their dealerships. The only replacement part I got from Dodge for this job was the $14 brake shield. Everything else was aftermarket.



Ryan
 
Ryan



Im very sorry to hear of the problems you had removing your hub, They can be very hard to deal with. Your not the only one that's had your butt kicked doing that job.



Zach
 
once you get the bolts out of the bearing in the back,you take a metal slug about 3in long and 1. 5in wide and put between axle housing and axle u joint flange and atart truck and turn wheel and this presses the hub/bearing out,do a few a week this way can have apart in 15 min
 
Hey, j. m. , could you give a picture or drawing? I'm not anywere as good a mechanic as most of you are, is this the same type of proccedture(sp) that you could use to put in "free spin" frunt hubs ? Thanks in advance!

Eric - '03 305/555 qc srw swb slt nv5600 limited "schfenacker" mirrors (turn lites!)
 
What a write up! That's auto (truck) work shop 101 at its finest!!! Thank you for the really good report... .

Eric - '03 qc srw swb nv5600 slt limited white
 
rbattelle said:
4. DO NOT replace the Loctite on the caliper mounting bolts with anti-seize! After 1 week as such both of the mounting bolts loosened up on me. That was pretty stupid of me (Dodge engineers screw up so many things, who would've thought they'd get that one right?). When replacing the bolts, clean them up good with acetone or some other degreaser and apply medium strength (usually blue) Loctite (which can be removed with ordinary hand tools).





Hmmm, I'm still running mine with neversieze... I have had them apart once since I installed the DT kit... that's almost 30k ago... never an issue with loosening bolts...



steved
 
steved said:
Hmmm, I'm still running mine with neversieze... I have had them apart once since I installed the DT kit... that's almost 30k ago... never an issue with loosening bolts...



That's interesting. Maybe my truck vibrates more than yours? Or maybe you wrenched yours tighter?



Mcfly, I refused to do the power steering trick because I think it's incredibly dangerous, not only to the truck but to anyone standing in the area. I read at least one case where that technique messed up some things in the front end. It may work on trucks with lightly seized bearings, but on a truck with welded bearings (like mine) I think it's a recipe for disaster. Not to mention the asymmetric force twists the bearing in the knuckle, thereby increasing the force required to remove it (and risking damage to the steering knuckle). Nevertheless, it's true that most people who try that technique report success.



I know of at least 1 second gen owner who had to cut the knuckle out of the truck and spend an hour on a 25-ton press to remove the bearing assembly.



Ryan
 
rbattelle said:
Amidst all the argument against the crappy OEM hub/bearing assemblies, I will say that I think they are actually a good design. I think their only flaw is a lack of anti-seize compound between the steering knuckle and the bearing. Other than that, I think they're a strong, convenient solution. And I like the low part count... .....

Ryan
Do you still hold this opinion?

If you had it to do over again would you keep these bearings or switch to locking hubs?

Would you recommend removing the bearings and applying anti seize before they rust in solid?
 
I've never had a problem just using a cold chisel between the bearing and the knuckle and I've torn apart quite a few axles with unit bearings.
 
:--) Ryan, holy cow!!!!! This is the last thing I need to hear, I am really thinking that come spring I will need upper and lower B-joints and I am really not looking forward to this at all.



I cannot believe how much force you had to apply to that thing. :eek:

Did you need a day of rest after all that?? Thanks for the write up and letting us know of the upcoming nightmare. :{





ps. If I drive to Ohio do you think you could give me a hand :D J/K





Matt, I think Ryan only paid like $150 for it, If I remember right he called around and found the supplier for DC and bought it from them.



Here is link to the other thread regarding the hub bearing cost https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157800&highlight=hub+bearing
 
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I recall reading either here or on DTR that someone properly soaked the bearing & hub at the knuckle, loosened the axle nut a few turns, loosened the lug nuts a few turns, then started their truck and turned the steering from lock-to-lock several times and it greatly eased separating the bearing assembly from the knuckle.



Sounds like you had your hands full, Ryan..... you show lots more patience than I have.



Do places like Advance / AutoZone / O'Reilly's rent / loan the gear pullers ? Are they expensive to purchase..... especially for the limited use we'd see on our trucks ?



Greg
 
gsbrockman said:
I recall reading either here or on DTR that someone properly soaked the bearing & hub at the knuckle, loosened the axle nut a few turns, loosened the lug nuts a few turns, then started their truck and turned the steering from lock-to-lock several times and it greatly eased separating the bearing assembly from the knuckle.



Sounds like you had your hands full, Ryan..... you show lots more patience than I have.



Do places like Advance / AutoZone / O'Reilly's rent / loan the gear pullers ? Are they expensive to purchase..... especially for the limited use we'd see on our trucks ?



Greg



The PowerSteering trick is what damaged another owners truck... the reason Ryan didn't attempt it...



I don't know if they rent a puller as BIG as you need for this... the two I use are VERY BIG... one is a hydraulic 7-ton 12 inch spread... the other is a big three jaw with a 1. 25" center lead screw... even the biggest Craftsman two jaw that I own (the biggest they make) is WAY too small...



steved
 
gsbrockman said:
What damage happened / happens ?



Greg





It damaged something in the steering or suspension... one truck didn't track straight afterwards... another I recently read about actually popped the balljoints apart (or broke them)...



Plus if that extension or socket pops out of there, it could potentially become a lethal projectile...



steved
 
I'm pretty sure it put some play in my lower ball joint. I crushed a socket and ruined 2 extensions before it came out.
 
Hopefully I'll have no worries with ball joints or bearings anytime soon. My truck only has 44. 8k miles on it, and everything was tighter than a mouse's ear last rotation (2k or so).



Greg
 
I guess one's locale must figure in to the level of difficulty because I had

both sides apart in under an hour. NO SALT HERE
 
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