Urea is for real

[Greenleaf]

It seems strange that in the modern world we have to read about the quest to establish a urea infastructure at the fuel stations. The diesel engine will now become an air scrubber to clean the environment according to Heavy Duty Truck Magazine.



The article does not mention school buses nor pick-up trucks. Only the heavy duty diesels for on road. Leads me to believe that CNG/LNG engines in heavy duty trucks will become more popular. (the fuel is cheaper and NOT taxed)



One is forced to wonder what the EPA is going to say about the diesel exhaust after 2010 engines are introduced. All the water emitted from the exhasut pipe will most likely become a hazardous material and require yet another treatment system to install.



I did hear from bluebird that with the introduction of the new engines in 2010 the cost is to jump 7-10 thousand, again. Up from the last introduction of the '07 model engines. So maybe I will see urea tanks on my buses... ..... CAT engines are NLA in bluebird buses. They gave it up as of this year.

 

[steved]

My neighbor works for International and says they have been working on urea systems for a while now... they seems to be handling the change well. I believe he stated that their "Big Bore" is one of a few that actually can meet the new emissions.

He showed me a V6 IH in a city van-type deal that he claimed used a Ford transmission and was the engine going to find its way into the F150... twin turbos and all.

 

[BrianJ]

He showed me a V6 IH in a city van-type deal that he claimed used a Ford transmission and was the engine going to find its way into the F150... twin turbos and all.

Are you perhaps refering to the "EcoBoost" engine, which is "highly" rumored to go in the F150...

Ford Motor Company's EcoBoost is nothing more than a "green name" for twin turbocharging and direct injection, just in case you didn't know. However, like previous TT setups that were geared strictly towards performance, the goal of the EcoBoost is to offer V8 performance with V6 economy. This project has proven to be successful, as EcoBoost engines are currently available in the Lincoln MKS and Ford Flex, but there are a great many rumors about the EcoBoost 3. 5L TT V6 finding its way into the new F150 (these rumors are supported by discussions with several Ford reps who have driven EcoBoost F150s).

 

[steved]

I was pretty sure he indicated it was indirect injection...



It would be a perfect size for a repower, it was about the size of a typical V6 gasser.

 

[rbattelle]

All the water emitted from the exhasut pipe will most likely become a hazardous material and require yet another treatment system to install.

It's interesting to note that all the "global warming" nuts (no, wait, it's "climate change"; that way if it gets colder they're still right) just love fuel cells, which emit only water. And these urea systems which also emit large quantites of water.



Of course, what they never mention is that water vapor is a "greenhouse gas", which contributes significantly to "climate change".



So they get us all to switch fuel systems so that we're producing only water vapor, and then what?



Let's face it - environmentalists won't be happy until we're all dead, and therefore producing no emissions. [Although I suspect decomposition produces significant quantities of "greenhouse gasses"].



Ryan

 

[Greenleaf]

LOL... ... Your probably right!!!

 

[Ncostello]

CNG/LNG is cheaper and not taxed because its not used in on-highway trucks yet on any scale. As soon as it starts rolling across paved surfaces... . expect nearly instantaneous control by taxing entities. If water could somehow be used as a motor fuel... it too would be taxed to death. And of course its always amazing to see what fuel tax monies fund.