US congressman needs a reality bypass

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This recent news item about a new cellular phone network to be bult in Iraq after the war is over, is certainly thought provoking... ...



(I personally have worked as a systems designer and architect in the cellular communications industry in Europe, The Far East and the USA and IMHO, based upon 20+ years in this industry, I reckon this US Congressman could really use a reality bypass. :rolleyes: What do you think?)



Plans to deploy a CDMA network in Iraq



The California, USA, Congressman Darrell Issa has initiated a campaign to promote CDMA as the technology of choice for any future mobile phone network in Iraq. He has written to U. S. Agency for International Development demanding that the American CDMA system be used in preference to a system that he considers inherently European, and specifically French.



His letter harks back to the older, and long abandoned name for GSM - Groupe Speciale Mobile, presumably for its French language overtones, as opposed to Global System for Mobile Communications, its anglophile name today. He says that if "European" GSM technology is deployed in Iraq, much of the equipment used to build the cell phone system would be manufactured in France, Germany, and elsewhere in western and northern Europe.



Furthermore, royalties paid on the technology would flow to French and European sources, not U. S. patent holders. He seems to be under the impression therefore that Motorola has no interest in bidding for a GSM infrastructure contract - nor would Lucent, or Canada's Nortel Networks.



This may well concern the shareholders of those companies who would be expecting them to bid for any available contracts. He also says that CDMA phones incorporate GPS location technology, which may be a surprise to the vast majority of cell phone owners who will be hunting through their handset manuals looking for this function. His legitimate concern is that relief workers could be kidnapped or attacked, and a location aware handset would then enable them to be found. However, inserting GPS into a cell phone is nothing to do with whether it is GSM or CDMA - but down to the handset manufacturer simply implementing a location based solution.



Also, GPS is not the only solution for locating a cell phone, network based solutions exist that can be deployed on both technology platforms. The fact that a GPS handset will be able to give its location anywhere in Iraq is pointless if the phone is out of cellular coverage though. Of course, the greatest irony could be that a CDMA network is deployed - and Nokia wins the bulk of the handset sales contracts. Ironic, as Nokia, one of the "northern Europe" companies that Issa wants to block from working in Iraq makes CDMA handsets, but uses its own proprietary chipsets and doesn't pay royalties to Qualcomm.



It may be worth noting that Congressman Issa represents San Diego, hometown of Qualcomm who owns the CDMA technology used in cell phones. Also, in January, the US government's, National Communications System (NCS) awarded a priority connection contract, ensuring phone service would be unaffected by network congestion to T-Mobile, a GSM cellular network.



 
John,

I must say I find it interesting this post is getting many views and no response.

You are so obviously correct in your assessment, yet it is my guess it is also considered inappropriate to voice a disagreeing position to a pro-american political person, no matter how questionable that position may be. :p



Further, I find it interesting how people can rationally make a decision to acquire a product composed of internationally manufactured components, yet wish to ban or boycott products of the same manufacturer and comparable composition simply for the difference in the brand name. :D



P. S. : brain surgery might be the appropriate cure,

or even a little more education.
 
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I read the post earlier, but since I'm at work, didn't have time to respond at that time. Personally, I think that cell phones should just plain old be banned. I hate the things and the fact that I have to have one to be reached by my work. Hell, I don't even have a home phone. As for this being ethical or a good idea, no I don't think it is. It is the same type of situation where France and Russia both obtained huge oil contracts with Iraqi, and then fought tooth and nail to keep the UN or anyone else from taking out the pigs in office there. I believe that the best technology should be used, but the best is always subject to who is spouting it's the best.



Morph.
 
Your points are very well made Rob. It will be interesting to see if fellow TDR members in SoCal share their local Congressman's views?



BTW, Any more progress yet on your 3rd Gen 1 ton?



JMc
 
But its just fine

But it is just fine to have the vice presidents former company Haliburton/Brown and Root awarded the contract for rebuilding and building military bases in Iraq after the war?
 
Another reason why not CDMA

One of the benefits of GSM Cellular is it's ability to send and receive (SMS) text messages and shortly, this will be extended with MMS capability to include combinationsof audio clips, color photographs and text. Just imagine the possibilities if Iraq gets a GSM network rather than a CDMA network :-laf :-laf You can't do this on CDMA cellular networks!!



Saddam receives a coded SMS message from Bush.



It read:
370HSSV-0773H

Saddam was stumped and sent for his secret service.

The Iraqui secret service was stumped too, so it went to their code breakers.

The code breakers couldn't solve it either, so they asked the flunkies at Al- Jazeera TV.

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They suggested turning it upside down ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .



JMc



 
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Re: But its just fine

Originally posted by Champane Flight

But it is just fine to have the vice presidents former company Haliburton/Brown and Root awarded the contract for rebuilding and building military bases in Iraq after the war?



I thought Halliburton/Brown & Root got knocked out. I think I saw it in the local paper.



Brian
 
Halliburton/Brown & Root knew they and Cheney were going to take some flack so now they're just the subcontractor, same job to do though. Just makes for one more dot to connect to find the truth. Kellogg, Brown & Root, a division of Halliburton has contracts for support services including base camp maintenance, laundry services, food services, airfield services, supply operations, among others in Afghanistan and is expected to expand into Iraq when the time is ripe.

In February of this year Kellogg, Brown & Root paid out $22 million to settle an out of court lawsuit settlement with the Justice Department which alleged that the company defrauded the government, more suits are pending.

Cheney gives new meaning to the term revolving door. If he does not get relected vice-president there is no doubt he will return to Halliburton when he leaves the White House.
 
Soooo..... Haliburton should just close their doors becuase Cheney is VP?



Is that what you want?



They have every right to pursue government contracts, like any other company.



What is that company that Daschles wife works for? She lobbys congress for them.

Nobody ever mentions that.
 
Funny, I don't recall the anti Bushers preaching ethics during the 8 years of Clinton??????



The Clinton lover camp has been heaving rocks as hard as they can throw, out the window of their glass house.



Too bad they fall short of the Republican brick house, not even reaching it to bounce off.





Bush and Cheney are both good, honest men.



Neither one gave up the right to make money. As long as it is legal, I don't see a problem with anything.



Somebody give me proof that Cheney has broken any laws, and I will change my stance.
 
Gene, tell me you would honestly say it was cool that the company that Gore was CEO of was getting massive government contracts while he was VP under Klinton.

I'm certain a bunch of folks here would still be whining about it.
 
Cheney resigned when Bush asked him to run.



Haliburton has done business same as ever.

If Cheney has been giving them illegal bids, bust them.



Name one Democrat that ever stepped down from anything, when a possible conflict of interest has arose.



You do know, that there are more millionares that are Democrats in congress, than Republicans, don't you?



Gore?

Nobody in their right mind would make Gore CEO of anything.
 
WOW!



This is something--------suddenly, the leftys want to talk about ethics!!!!!!

For eight years, that was a taboo subject with them, ah well,

nothing like a woman scorned and a liberal out of power.



Vaughn
 
John. . now you know why I AM leaving this damn state



three names will do it for you



Nancy

Barbra

Diane





makes me sick just thinking them... . over all this state is much more Conservative than one would believe. . it's just the major population areas where the giveaway programs are that hold the voters to a gun
 
Re: Another reason why not CDMA

Originally posted by JohnMcIntyre
One of the benefits of GSM Cellular is it's ability to send and receive (SMS) text messages and shortly, this will be extended with MMS capability to include combinationsof audio clips, color photographs and text. Just imagine the possibilities if Iraq gets a GSM network rather than a CDMA network :-laf :-laf You can't do this on CDMA cellular networks!!
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Features are features. CDMA has the ability to send short text messages too, as does (did) US-TDMA.

GSM and CDMA are, from a bird's-eye view, roughly equivalent, US-TDMA doesn't even count, which is one reason it's being phased out.

That said, I still believe GSM is the superior technology, *mostly* because it is the most midely-used standard. (I did work in GSM software development at Motorola for a number of years, and am still reasonably familiar with GSM and the other protocols. )

*That* said, wireless communication will never be ubiquitous, because everyone who comes up with a new scheme has an axe to grind, and the operators themselves are complete wusses. What's-his-name at Quallomm thinks his CDMA scheme is the best thing since sliced bread. Operators want plug-n-play systems from a single source that require no maintenance, and they want *all* the features at once. Manufacturers promise to produce everything instantly. And now the Chinese government have come up with TD-SCDMA (time-division, synchronous CDMA) for use in the PROC. . Then there's NexTel. And lest we forget, the Japanese have several of their own, incompatible systems. The result is spotty service, sky-rocketing costs, over-promises, under-deliveries, incompatible systems, and poor or non-existent customer service, among other maladies. Now, add onto that the varying spectra used around the world.

The industry is quite fractious, and is showing no signs of change. In the US, even though roaming is supposed to be 'seamless', it's still hit-or-miss. I've taken to setting my CDMA phone to digital-only, just so I don't get dumped onto an analog system when travelling - to save the battery. (Yeah, yeah. It's CDMA, but it's the *only* digital service where I live!)

For all that digital service is hyped in the US, I I believe the major portion of the land area is still covered with only analog service. Many providers cover only the major highways. Few can be bothered to cover rural areas.

I don't believe we will see any form of wireless protocol unification until telephony has been completey reduced to packet-switching (and circuit-switching has been reduced to load management). This means Voice-Over-IP. Then we might see a common RF interface and a world-wide standard emerge. .

Until then, it really doesn't matter which technology is used in any particular location.

But, you are right. That Congressperson needs a frontal lobotomy at the least.

Fest3er
 
Re: That Congressperson needs a frontal lobotomy at the least.

Fest3er, I agree in principle with most of what you said, but not quite... . Perhaps I should have been more specific when making SMS-capability comparisions between the CDMA and GSM standards and besides a lot of this techo babble would be of little interest to most TDR users (with all due respect) in all probability. Let me dumb down these points we've made a bit further.....



As far as I know, a lot of people still use/carry paging devices in the USA whereas in Europe and anywhere else where GSM cellular service (and network coverage ;)) is not an issue for that metter, it's now very rare indeed. It's just a lot more convenient to offer a single device which combines voice and text. Yes, you are right, CDMA networks eventually realised these shortcomings and subsequently brought out some basic text messaging capability, but it only works inside the CDMA network and will not support any gateway functionality between a GSM network, even if the international gateways, SS7 interconnects were in place to allow for meaningful SRI query and translation. ( okay no more TLA's!! :D:D). Now we have compound messaging formats, voice clips, colour images (still/moving) and text, comprsing all of these functions, something which CDMA will struggle with.....



One thing that really, really ticked me off about the US cellular systems is their short-sighted approach to a numbering plan. Because USA fixed line networks and mobile/cellular networks use the same numbering conventions, you cannot easily, or at a glance, easily differentiate between a fixed line phone or a cell phone. By comparison, in Europe, all cellular and fixed line phones in each country have a dedicated series of National Number Groups (aka area codes), which means that the caller ALWAYS knows the TYPE of phone they're calling. In the UK for instance, all cellphones start with

(national access 07XXX XXXXXXX international access +44 7XXX XXXXXXX). Or put another way, the concept of calling party pays is standard, so people would be less reluctant give out their cellphone number and they would not have to pay for the privilege of receiving a MT (mobile terminated) call, unless roaming of course, but in their home network area, they would only have to pay for service subscription and own dialled numbers.



Your compound points on VOIP and bandwidth/load management are right on the money. 3G otherwise known as UMTS (Universal Mobile telephony Service) was supposed to remove the barriers between CDMA and GSM but I guess that will have to wait for 4G, 5G, who knows... . ? But you know what, the biggest limiting factor is the US numbering plan. Get that sorted out by the FCC and more people will be inclined to use cellphones, this would increase US cellphone operator revenues (including an explosion in the numbers of PrePaid cellphones, which in Europe account for a very significant number of cellphone users, enabling US cellphone operators to enhance their network coverage and performance ( and dare I say, gateway compatibility to GSM networks!). In this Utopia, you might even be able to drive from coast to coast USA and retain cellular service throughout!!



Oh well, in my dreams I suppose..... :{





JMc
 
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