used engine oil?

[JAmos]

I have had great results with the dse fuel method, and am anxious to try it out on used engine oil instead of cooking oil. Has anyone tried this? I'm wanting to use as much engine oil as possible without needing to add cooking oil. I guess my main question is how much if any would the dse recipe need to be altered for the engine oil. Thanks,



Jordan

 

[fortunate1]

Great results with veggie oil here, too. The main thing for either type of oil would be to ensure a LOT of filtration. Kero, gas, PS, and the secret sauce (which I don't use) are used to thin the veggie oil and help the burn. I'd think that they would also be useful to do the same for old lube oil. But I don't know of anyone using the blend for motor oil OR anyone using it as a "majority" fuel. BTW, a call to Cummins tech support confirmed that the FS-1253 fuel filter/water separator that my truck uses is spec'd to filter down to 20 microns. That's why I filter the veggie oil blend down to 10 microns; so the main fuel filter isn't tempted to get clogged any more than normal.

 

[cj hall]

dse and oil

Hello JAmos

Have you thought about ATF as a fuel the Engine oil should work. Think I would start out with a 10% blend and then up it from there.



Try mixing the engine oil with the veg oil in a small batch.

the wear metals in the engine need to filtered out so letting it settle would be the best on that.

you might even want to have the oil tested so you know what is in the oil before just using it



just my two cents worth



cj hall

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[JFaughn]

I have to admit that I've used the WMO , but I am very worred about it , this is some realy involved chemisrty , oil is one of the most complex compinations of things we use a a day to day basis , then add to that used motor oil , there are acid build ups in the WMO , then turn around and burn it ,
I would like to give all [ including myself ] the benifit of dought , torwards not fully thinking all this through , the emissions are huge , have not found any studies on emissions for WMO , but they have to be much worse .
Then theres the longterm effects on your truck , maybe some do not care about either , thats called not being responsable , if we are not , then we can not complane about laws made to restrick us .
I'm sure this is going to spark off , but here goes .

 

[Msilbernagel]

My thoughts.



I've heard of products for the big rigs that actually taps the oil line and sends a little into the fuel while adding fresh oil such that there is a constant replenishment. Still, my reluctance is because of the potential for (primarily) PH problems (acids) eating the fuel system components - especially the HP pump and injectors.



My best advice is that if one does it at all, dilute it a LOT. I've heard from those who do that they'll put a gallon or so in per tank. That would certainly help in a lot of ways, with PH, with other contaminants, and even pollutants.



FYI - Mark

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I have to admit that I've used the WMO , but I am very worred about it , this is some realy involved chemisrty , oil is one of the most complex compinations of things we use a a day to day basis , then add to that used motor oil , there are acid build ups in the WMO , then turn around and burn it ,

I would like to give all [ including myself ] the benifit of dought , torwards not fully thinking all this through , the emissions are huge , have not found any studies on emissions for WMO , but they have to be much worse .

Then theres the longterm effects on your truck , maybe some do not care about either , thats called not being responsable , if we are not , then we can not complane about laws made to restrick us .

I'm sure this is going to spark off , but here goes .

 

[JFaughn]

I got on my horse and forgot one of the main things I was going after , the acid in the fuel , a gal. per. full tank , I thought at the time that I was using 1/3 bio , 2/3 #2 , thought that would bring back some off the missing BTUs that the bio was lacking .
Just thinking more about the use of WMO .

 

[cj hall]

used engine oil

hello all



dont fall off that horse



this should help you get all messed up

http://www.clarustechnologies.com/manufacturing_services/oilcat/



epa says up to 7. 5%



happy reading



cj hall

 

[keimmmo]

I have been adding used motor oil to the fuel in both my trucks since they were new. I have not seen any problems in doing so in over half a million miles! I consider it to be free fuel. I have friends who have run as much as 40% used oil in the diesel! I usually add a gallon to a fill-up on the 01. 5... up to 4 gallons if I am well blessed with oil at the moment. The 92 smokes too much to stand if I add over a gallon per fill. I usually add only a couple of quarts to it.



For filtering, I just let the oil set in a warm place for as long as possible to settle out. I just pour it into the tank leaving about 1/2 inch in the bottom of the jug. I know some of you "purists" will have a fit, but it is working fine for me.



Steve Keim

 

[JAmos]

I got the perfect collection tank. Its a square plastic tank that holds almost 300 gallons and is enclosed in a metal frame with a pallet like base. I just need to figure out how to patch the cracks in one of the top corners. Would a fiberglass repair kit work? The kits I'm thinking of have a mesh type cloth and a bunch of glue that would be layered over the bad spot.



Jordan

 

[JAmos]

Ok, several posts discussed the acid in the used lube oil. Is there a flammable base that could be added to neutralize the acidic tendencies of the oil? That way I could keep checking the ph levels till I get a good neutral oil.



Jordan

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Try mixing the engine oil with the veg oil in a small batch.

I've done that before and it didn't seem to work well. The veg oil I had was kinda high in heavy fats/hydrogenated and when mixed it seemed to turn to a bit of a slurry. This is WVO that normally remained liquid when treated with DSE/gasoline/kero. So when running engine oil I didn't add any WVO.



Vaughn

 

[keimmmo]

I have even noticed that used motor oil does not mix well with Bio-20. I have run Bio-2 without any problems. I too would recommend not mixing motor oil with vegetable oil or even Bio-diesel.



The problem of mixing motor oil with Bio is a problem in the States since there are stations that state on the pump that their product MIGHT contain Bio... but do not say at what percentage. That IS NOT a problem here in Mexico since Bio-diesel does not exist.



Steve Keim

 

[steved]

There are several threads on running WMO... a couple thoughts...



The oil injection system is called a Centennial and slowly injects WMO into the fuel as you drive (it also adds new oil at the same time)...



The main thing with WMO is filtration. You got to think that the oil filter is only good for, what? 20 micron?? We are worried about particles down to 5 micron and we only got OE filters that are good down to 7 micron. The 3rd gens are even more sensitive of dirt. I know a lot of guys "decant" clear oil off of a jug that has sat long enough to allow the nasties to settle out to the bottom...



You also got to remember that adding WMO might also drop the effectiveness of your fuel to resist gelling...



I made a set up to run WMO, had a bucket and filter set up, but got a little concerned about what might have to a 3rd gen... so I never tried it...



steved

 

[ABardwell]

Has anyone used Synthetic Oil mixed with #2?

Thanks for the info; I am thinking of using used Synthetic motor oil mixed with #2 Diesel and was wondering if anyone has tried running used Synthetic motor oil mixed with #2 or just standard oil; and if you have how well did it work for you?



Thanks

Al

 

[Nate]

I pour a mix of whatever in the truck. Used engine oil, ATF and gear oil mainly. Junk oil, like from a gernaded diff, blown motor, etc I don't use.



It's filtered first though a paint filter, then though a fuel filter... and then again by the filter in the truck.



Been running this since early this summer. I put a gallon of P/S WMO mix at every fill up.

 

[keimmmo]

I have used several different kinds of synthetic motor oils in my fuel. Some of them burn just fine. Others don't burn at all and just drip out of the tail pipe after gumming up everything south of the injectors. There is only one way to find out if what you have will work... try just a little when the tank is low. If it works, fine. If not, you can fill the tank and it won't be much of a problem.



I agree to stay away from gear oil and anything that is contaminated. About anything from a regular oil change works fine.



Steve Keim

 

[Diesel Dually]

Oo. WOO HOO Oo. Congratulations on your first post ABardwell. I was beginning to wonder if you were going to post or not. Now we need to get you posting over on the other site too .



I'm not sure if this would hold true for burning synthetic oil in a high compression engine but while I was talking with a salesman of waste oil furnaces he told me that some synthetics don't burn as well as dino oils and the heater would have a lower btu output. If that is true with our engines as well (the btu thing) you may not gain anything by using the synthetics due to the lower btu output. I don't know if this is too much of an apples and oranges comparison, just food for thought.

If you try it Al, and it works well for you, let me know. I may give t a try in my '96. At least a little at a time, I don't want too much smoke...



And if your truck is under warranty remember what happens if you have a problem that can be attributed to your fuel...

 

[keimmmo]

For what it is worth, I have run the 01. 5 as rich as 8 parts diesel to 1 part used oil with MINIMAL smoke. The old 92 is another matter. It starts smoking at 40 to 1. Anything richer than 30 to 1 is unliveable!



Steve Keim

 

[Diesel Dually]

I wonder why your 01. 5 is able to have such a high concentration compared to your 92 ? I wouldn't think the added electronics would make a difference. Does your 01. 5 have a cat on it? Maybe the 24 valve just atomizes and burns it more efficiently?? I may do some testing with my 96 when warm weather returns.

 

[ABardwell]

Thanks for the info about some oils burning ok and others gumming up the works, of course it's always user beware. I don't think I'm going to try it until the truck is out of warranty however I do have a brother that has and older truck that is out of warranty and I may just be able to convince him :-laf Maybe trying it in a home furnace would give an indication of how well synthetics would work.



Al