Utility Rims ????

[abdiver]

Anyone have an experiance with the type Rims that have no center disc They are called Utility Rim best I can tell. They are held in place on a spoke type hub, you place a rectangle lug over the hub studs and then screw on the lug nut. On larger trucks they are called California rims I like the regular disc rim. But I have owned dump trucks with the california rims. I had trouble with an old dump truck as when loaded and pulling out from a muddy area the truck tires would be spinning in the mud and then when the wheels came to the asphalt and got traction the rims would slip on the lugs and once snapped the innertube stem right off, Damn California rim.



I have a 9ton trailer with them too on the trailer they seem to be alright but I haven't use this trailer for years. I seem to recall that when replacing a wheel I had to be careful to gradually tighten the lugs nuts to keep the rims running true and not wobble. Reason for my asking for your thoughts is that I am looking to buy a 5 ton tilt trailer to move my small JD Dozer and I have found one in my area But it has this utility rim and it is only 13' long which is find for my dozer but a 18'er would be good to haul 20 pipe etc. Your thoughts please



Thanks Bill sorry for the long post

 

[oneshotkyle]

nothing wrong with the old school wheels they are tough as nails. there are a few trick to putting them on the hub correctly but still very simple and strong. as for the trailer length, ya 13 foot is pretty short but if it fits your dozer needs then you can always hang your twenty foot of pipe a little off the end.

 

[Crash&Burn]

Are those mobile home axles? What size wheel & tire do they use?

 

[abdiver]

Are those mobile home axles? What size wheel & tire do they use?

I don't think so, I have so far only seen the pictures of it in the classified. Owner says Iit is rated at 5 1/2 tons. It is located about 40 miles a from me that is the good thing about it as most trailers I find are in Mo. or further east, with the price of fuel it negates me driving a cross country to save a buck. I plan go and look at it and check out axles and manufacture of it. I don't want any junk. I do have a 9 ton tag a long trailer beavertail about 20' deck. I used to use in my construction business but it has 3 single wheel axles. But I think if may be a bit to much trailer for my truck,

 

[steved]

They are classified "low-boy" axles by most shops... the tires are either 8x14. 5 or 7x14. 5, commonly used on mobile home transport axles. The mobile home tires are not as robust as the low-boy tires, and IIRC, mobile home tires aren't DOT approved. You can get these tires clear up to a "G" load rating.



I believe they are also termed "Budd-style" wheels... you can still get them from AccuRide.



steved

 

[abdiver]

I believe the Budd wheel is a wheel that has a center Disc with the lug bolts near the center of the wheel vs the California wheel, (which on a trailer seem to be called a utility wheel) that has no center disc and the lug nuts are located on the edge of the rim. It seems that perhaps depending where you are from on what ya call it. I was told years ago that the California wheel was popular back east ??? Here is a picture of a Budd wheel

Budd wheel

 

[steved]

I believe the Budd wheel is a wheel that has a center Disc with the lug bolts near the center of the wheel vs the California wheel, (which on a trailer seem to be called a utility wheel) that has no center disc and the lug nuts are located on the edge of the rim. It seems that perhaps depending where you are from on what ya call it. I was told years ago that the California wheel was popular back east ??? Here is a picture of a Budd wheel



Budd wheel

That's actually a picture of a "safety bead"/split rim, not a budd. Budds are centerless... look like a donut, at least that's what all the shops I've dealt with/worked at have called them.



I have THOSE wheels on my M37... they have a ring that can be pried off to change the tire/break your leg. I also have the centerless wheels on my utility trailer, they are mobile home rims and tires; and accuride rims and low-boy tires.





steved

 

[abdiver]

That's actually a picture of a "safety bead"/split rim, not a budd. Budds are centerless... look like a donut, at least that's what all the shops I've dealt with/worked at have called them.



I have THOSE wheels on my M37... they have a ring that can be pried off to change the tire/break your leg. I also have the centerless wheels on my utility trailer, they are mobile home rims and tires; and accuride rims and low-boy tires.





steved

OK I stand corrected, I am in california all my life I was told wrong apparently



So the centerless wheels are called Budds or Utility rims,



What are the wheels called that have a center disc?



Gee and I thought I was wrong it was a first But turns out I was right

 

[Hoefler]

Actually Budd wheels are similar to what we have on our duallys. They are usually 5, 6 or 10 hole. On old Fords and some IHC 2 tons, they had 8 hole wheels. The difference on Budd wheels is that the holes are all tapered, a Motor type wheel, like what we have, all stud holes are straight and used a flange nut to hold them on. The wheel style you are talking about are what is called a spoke hub and rims. The key to keep them from spinning on the hub, is to make sure there is no rust or dirt on the spokes, rims, spacers, and the wedges. The spacers and the wedges must be for that particular hub, or you won't get them tight. If the wedges are worn or too short, the rims won't stay tight as well.

 

[PToombs]

The other thing to keep them tight is to check them several times in the next 100 miles after being off. On the 10 wheeler I drove, I had to tighten them about 3 times before they were tight. (Front or rear)

 

[abdiver]

Actually Budd wheels are similar to what we have on our duallys. They are usually 5, 6 or 10 hole. On old Fords and some IHC 2 tons, they had 8 hole wheels. The difference on Budd wheels is that the holes are all tapered, a Motor type wheel, like what we have, all stud holes are straight and used a flange nut to hold them on. The wheel style you are talking about are what is called a spoke hub and rims. The key to keep them from spinning on the hub, is to make sure there is no rust or dirt on the spokes, rims, spacers, and the wedges. The spacers and the wedges must be for that particular hub, or you won't get them tight. If the wedges are worn or too short, the rims won't stay tight as well.

Thanks Hoefler, For clearing it up yes I had alway called them Budd wheel and the wheels on my Ford 9000 has the wheel style you referred to as spoke hub and rims I was told these were called California rims even though most were found on trucks from back east. So it seems I shouldn't be scared of buy a used tilt equipment trailer that has these spoke hub and rims. I figure I have time to wait and buy exactly what I want so didn't want to compromise on the wrong trailer. Though I think I will wait and buy a trailer with a longer deck at least 16' long. Thanks guys

Bill

 

[steved]

I will only add that, other than the terminology being different, those "hubless" wheels are not really good for a trailer used for long hauls... they are usually never true, and they are exceedingly difficult to get centered on the hub; which leads to severe vibrations and shaking when unloaded.



I speak from experience...



steved

 

[abdiver]

I will only add that, other than the terminology being different, those "hubless" wheels are not really good for a trailer used for long hauls... they are usually never true, and they are exceedingly difficult to get centered on the hub; which leads to severe vibrations and shaking when unloaded.



I speak from experience...



steved

Steved, Thanks I am thinking on waiting till I find exactly what I want and not compromising. I missed a clean Jacopsen 20 tilt trailer but it had a steel deck and I would have had to bolt on some 2x's as dozer tracks slide on steel decks. Ideally I sould get a min 12 GVW Dump trailer with fold down sides so I could have the best of all worlds except a high center of gravity. But I would only have one trailer to maintain.



Anyone use a beaver tail equipt trailer I have a 9 ton with 3 single wheel axles.

Bill