V Aircraft Engines - from Bombardier

[HoleshotHolset]

These engines are the first significant change in GA (General Aviation) piston powerplants since the 40's...

• WATER cooled
  
• 120° V6
  
• Electronic fuel injection with redundancy
  
• Runs on AvGas or MoGas
  

Check out the article in Aero News Network here.



Here's Bombardier's site for the new engines.



Matt

 

[Jengle]

I am more interested in the diesel engines coming out now. Run on #2 or Jet-A. One of them in a twin is saying they get 10gph for both engines. I forget the name of them.

 

[BigDaddy]

John,



Diesel engines are not new to aviation.



In 1929, the one and only Charles A. Lindbergh piloted a Stinson SM-1DX powered by a new Diesel type oil-burning motor manufactured by Packard Motor Car. The model was a DR-980. It weighted around five hundred pounds, had a 16:1 compression ratio, and used "furnace oil".



Additionally, I believe Waco (open cockpit plane) was testing one of their own diesel engines during the same era.



Nevertheless, more recently, a diesel engine has been developed in Germany and installed in a Cessna 172 and an Austrian airframe. Check out this article, Throw out the textbooks, diesel airplanes are here for more information.



Matt,



The idea of a water-cooled engine for aviation has too been around since the late 20s, early 30s.



In the state of your previous residence, the Hendee Manufacturing Company (Indian Motorcycles) built an eight cylinder water-cooled “V” type engine.



I believe Kawasaki was doing some testing in the late 90s with a V-8 liquid cooled engine.



Good stuff, thanx 4 the story.



Joe

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Uncle Joe!



The majority of GA piston engines are air cooled, right? I'm just making sure I'm not all confused... I don't have a lot of A&P experience... I've only changed the oil on a 300hp (540cid)single turbo Continental 6-cylinder... that's the extent of my airplane wrenching.



John - I didn't know you were into aviation...



I'm interested in darn near anything with an engine in it... and a lot of stuff that doesn't have an engine in it. :-laf



Matt

 

[Jengle]

Check your pms, Matt. Joe, I knew there were others in history, including the German WWII stuff, but I was referring to the recent developments for us lightplane pilots. I think that German one out now, is the Thielert. Maybe wrong on the spelling, but they have one out.

 

[klenger]

The P-51 and P-38 were both water cooled, if I am remembering my aviation history correctly. I think they were Alison engines.

 

[Elite1]

Originally posted by klenger

The P-51 and P-38 were both water cooled, if I am remembering my aviation history correctly. I think they were Alison engines.

Klenger, you are correct about the P-51 as was the British Spitfire. (not sure on the P-38) How do I know?... ... My Uncle was a WWII fighter pilot, he flew Spitfires, then P-47's and P-51's. He was shot down by flack over Munich, Germany piloting a P-51 a bullet through his radiator did the trick..... to this day he still says, I wish I had been flying a P-47 that day! (P-47's had the big radial air cooled engine and they could take a beating) Even though he liked flying the P-51's better than the P-47.

 

[klenger]

I think the engines used on the P-38 are the same as the one that were used on the P-51.

 

[Cummins Pilot]

So other than a v design it doesn't really have anything new to the GA market. They mentioned the water cooling already.



You can get an STC for auto fuel on a lot of aircraft.



EFI isn't new. Its been around a while in GA. Piper Six 300 comes to mind right away.



But can you say spendy. Making a new engine isn't like making a new car engine. the FAA will run its tests. And being brand new will cost 3 arms and 4 legs. + Old habits die hard. Its a lot of hype.

 

[RT66DOC]

Some Mustangs were powered by Rolls Royce Merlins built by Packard.



Check it out - http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/p51.shtml



Scroll down and look in the right column - turn your audio on.

 

[BigDaddy]

RT66DOC, you beat me to it.





Yes, an Allison powered the P-38s and P-51A. The P-51B and subsequent models received the V-1650 Merlin powerplant.



What is nice to see is that General Aviation (GA) manufactures are starting to use up-to-date technology. We are now seeing aircraft with Engine Management Systems (EMS) that controls all engine operation such as Fully Automated Digital Electronic Controls (FADEC), Multi-Function Displays (MFD), and Primary Flight Displays (PFDs).



Although, these systems technology has been around for twenty years, they are now only becoming affordable and finding their way into the GA market. As with most technology, time and demand will dictate lower prices.

 

[jandtjil]

Originally posted by RT66DOC

Scroll down and look in the right column - turn your audio on.

Nothing like the sound of 12 pistons in concert

I think I will attach those to my Windows start-up and shut-down audio tags.



JJ

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Joe said: "Although, these systems technology has been around for twenty years, they are now only becoming affordable and finding their way into the GA market. As with most technology, time and demand will dictate lower prices. "



I couldn't have said it any better if I tried...



Matt

 

[RT66DOC]

A good buddy of mine (RIP) flew a Thunderbolt and a P51 from Lessina, Italy. His was a Merlin. He had four swastikas painted on the nose by the end of the war; was one of the Checkertail Clan. Ring a bell with anybody?



Anybody remember the Porsce/Mooney project? As I recall that was sort of a single lever control type of setup. Not a FADEC but sure different for a GA single "complex" airplane.



BTW, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Bombardier is French owned so that would leave them out for me if I were in the market for one of those types of engines - as well as SeaDoo and Learjet, which I'm not in the market for either. Anyway, I won't need the Lear because my wife promised to buy me a Gee-Five for my next birthday. We're gonna call it "The Chipmunk".

 

[Jengle]

Yep, I remember the Porsche/Mooney. One guy that lives in MD close to the Bay area has one of them. I haven't seen it yet. I think he hangs out on the DC Pilots forum.

 

[Boomer II]

I had a shop at the South end of Addison airport many years ago. It was an awsome sound when the B29 FiFi took off over my place one afternoon.

 

[BigDaddy]

Originally posted by RT66DOC

... I believe Bombardier is French owned...

Bombardier is Canadian

Corporate Offices are in Montreal.

 

[RT66DOC]

Well Big Daddy, I stand corrected. Thank you. Although the Canadians haven't been real neighborly lately, either. Have to see how their new guvmint plays out. OK, that's the end of my foreign relations tangent. Let's get back to airplanes.



A couple years ago I had the pleasure of seeing "Aluminum Overcast" - B-17 - take off and do a few laps around the pattern. A memorable event. EAA runs/ran? "Aluminum Overcast". Now the B-17 they take around the country is called "Fuddy Duddy". Anybody know if it's the same plane with a new name? If not, where's Aluminum Overcast?

 

[ndennis]

RT66DOC & Jengle: Porsche has pulled the plug on support of the Mooney/Porsche engine and is offering owners a full conversion to Continental IO-550(article in Private Pilot Magazine). Napa County Airport(KAPC) has one here. Aluminum Overcast was in Van Nuys when it had a gear collapse after landing and is now being repaired... it's tour of the westcoast was cut short. Fuddy Duddy is a totally different airplane... according to AVWEB.

N Dennis

 

[RT66DOC]

N Dennis, Thanks for the update.