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Well, I thought it might be of interest to report on my favorable experience with my first set of 'replacement' tires on my Rickson 19. 5's (steel whl w/ simulators).



The original Bridgestone M724's died of dry rot / cracked sidewalls, but they did give 45 k miles (with 40 % tread left) in 5 years. I never did like their wet/mud/snow performance, but was very satisfied with the towing and load handling ability - smooth & confident !



The time had come for some cross country driving in winter and I didn't want to be slip - slidin away, and I'd heard good things about the abilities of the Michelin Medium Duty truck Retreads. The safety & cost factor had to be right - no slippery tread, long service life & minimal cost.



The particular tread design I got, the "XDC", is a nice compromise between highway rib & heavy snow lug. I'm told that UPS uses these tires on all their 'snow country' dually delivery vans - (which by the way, I think have our basic drivetrain in them, the Cummins 5. 9 turbodiesel), so that spoke well of their wet weather suitability and load carrying ability !



I didn't have casings (mine were cracked badly), so when I went to TCI (formerly Berlin tire) in Santee, CA (San Diego), I had to pay a bit more, still reasonable I thought at $ 125 / ea. My truck is a '97 SRW, so 4 would do fine, which I got in the 245/70 R 19. 5 Load Range G - 14 ply.



Balancing was fair from them, but I sought out a facility that featured the Hunter Road Force balancer (puts load on rim & tire as it balances) for a better balance. America's Tire in Temecula did a super job - lifetime balance for $ 110 - not too bad when you consider what these huge assemblies weigh !



That was 4 months, 12,000 miles and 3 cross country trips ago, and the tires are doing super - they barely look scuffed, not bad considering I grossed nearly 20,000 #.



If I keep the casings in good shape they are good for up to two more retreads, and I should get 60-90 k miles out of each - and each time I'm saving the cost of 3-4 sets of stock type 10 ply tires !



I hear guys saying the 19. 5's cost too much, but the way I see it it's the other way around - killing the overloaded 10 ply tires every 20 k miles or so costs far more over time.



The 19. 5's ride very nice, not harsh - unless you forget to modify your air pressure. Loaded fully, I run 'em at 110 psi max, but unloaded around 85-95 psi.



I'll post a link to the Michelin Medium Truck Retread page, which has a very thorough overview of the processes - a tour of the factory and the products.



If any of you have been considering 19. 5's this might be a way to afford it - get a set of rims somewhere, Ricksons or used or use Vision wheels 19. 5 aluminum (very reasonably priced I'm told), and then start with quality Retreads like the Michelin's, which at just $ 125 ea doesn't really cost any more $$$ than many 10 ply's !



OK, there's the report from the drivers seat of my 1997 Ram "Power Wagon" on my experience with the 19. 5's running Michelin Retreads for the last 12,000 miles, and with the 19. 5 conversion for over 50,000 miles overall.



Here's the links:



http://www.michelintruck.com/michelintruck/productguide/retread/Retread.jsp



Here's the all weather, Mud / Snow tread design I chose:



http://www.michelintruck.com/michel...read/Premoldsbyposition.jsp?position=D#XDC 22



Best Regards to all,



David B. ;)



PS: any other guys running 19. 5's of any kind, how's about a report ? !
 
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David,



Glad someone else likes the ricksons and hard tires.



I have the Michelin XDE MS..... on the link of the retreads, mine is right below yours.



I bought the Ricksons Eliminators Forged Aluminum.



The Tires I got are the Michelin 245 70 R 19. 5 "F" rated 12 ply... These are rated at 4080# @95 PSI... Plenty stiff enough for my trailer



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EricBu12 said:
David,



Glad someone else likes the ricksons and hard tires.



I have the Michelin XDE MS..... on the link of the retreads, mine is right below yours.



I bought the Ricksons Eliminators Forged Aluminum.



The Tires I got are the Michelin 245 70 R 19. 5 "F" rated 12 ply... These are rated at 4080# @95 PSI... Plenty stiff enough for my trailer



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That's a nice looking unit you have, Eric ! I believe I prefer those rims to mine - but I'll have to wait a while to switch. :)



Did you go to a medium duty tire dealer to get the Micheline Retread 19. 5's, may I ask ? Your own casings ? What about cost ? Many miles yet ?



I think I would prefer having your load range rating of F versus my G, sometimes I think these tires are a bit heavy for me, I'm not heavily loaded or towing quite often enough to justify such a rating 4540 lbs @ 110 PSI - If I get the chance I'll go down to that rating.



Don't get me wrong, these run nice & smooth when at the right PSI for my conditions - but they're heavy no doubt. One thing: my truck stops way faster with these tires - there's so much rubber on the road !



Do you run your PSI at the max all the time or only if towing, etc ?



Best Regards, David B. ;)
 
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Well, it looks as if the group of guys running 19. 5's is somewhat exclusive, and the group running 19. 5 retreads is REEAALLY exclusive..... if ya wanna be different.....



David B.
 
David,



I hate to burst your bubble on the UPS trucks, but they are running an International drivetrain in them to include the worthless diesel. FedEx (Red&Blue trucks) runs Cummins in their trucks.



Ben
 
I bought the tires from a local Michelin Dealer that had to order them ... These are virgin casings and I have like 10K on them right now. They ride very well even when hard and running solo.



Yeah the Ricksons Eliminators look like the stock dodge rim style and the polish is very good. I use the stock 16" tires in the winter as I don't tow then. (salt belt area) So these tires, in that ratio, will last about 10 years.
 
benhall said:
David,



I hate to burst your bubble on the UPS trucks, but they are running an International drivetrain in them to include the worthless diesel. FedEx (Red&Blue trucks) runs Cummins in their trucks.



Ben



Thanks for the correction - I always knew there was a reason I preferred Fed Ex to UPS... . now I know why !



Regards, DB
 
EricBu12 said:
I bought the tires from a local Michelin Dealer that had to order them ... These are virgin casings and I have like 10K on them right now. They ride very well even when hard and running solo.



Great - mind if I ask what they cost ? Mine were $ 125 ea but it would have been less if I had casings for trade in - perhaps about $ 85 or so ea - in that case.



Considering how many miles these 19. 5's last, that's unbeatable economy in my book..... it seems they last about 60-90 k miles depending on conditions.



I was only getting 20-24 k miles out of my stocker 10 plys - plus I have a 38 ' bumper pull Travel Trailer that weighs 11k plus 4 k more in the bed - that was way more load than those 10 plys were comfortable with !



The 19. 5's don't seem to mind at all : safety factor ++ :D



Take care, David B.
 
No sweat Vaughn, hijack away - good re-correction - the page does confirm it - UPS uses the Cummins ISB 5. 9, our engine. I wonder how many miles they rack up on 'em before rebuilds ?



For fun, here's the UPS truck you may not want to race:



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Sure would improve delivery times, eh ? !



Regards, David



PS: sad they had to use a Ford SVO gasser engine in that rig - they would have been better off letting some of the TDR vendor shops massage a Cummins way beyond that gasser engine.....
 
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I couldn't get some of the videos to fire, e. g. the engine, wind tunnel. But the documentary one shows an exhaust off a V motor being pulled and a V8 being put in. ????? Is it a different truck from the drag racing truck???
 
David,



mine were like $265 each being brand new so yeah, you got a great deal. ... ..... I am an interstate truck driver and from long back, I have heard horror stories of retreads. In my company, we always use virgin casings as the trucks do 200K per year running teams and alot of Owner Operators I talk to, get Virgins also. I imagine the technology has improved somewhat over the years but just remember... . The tread is Glued on. and like alot of Glues out there, they can fail, if the heat is high and the stress is enough... ... I see all the "Gators" (trucker term for ripped treads)... on the side of the road with alot of tread on them. So just beware and treat your tires like glass.
 
Hey guys in regards to the UPS trucks, they run a variety of drivetrians. If you look at the serial # on the hood of the trucks first digit is the disignator ,if I remember correctly the 4 series are Cummins ISB that't what my driver has , he loves it. then they run the powerjoke/ international and have experimented with some freightliner chassis with the autos and MBZ like the Sprinters. I will the 3's right when I see my driver again.
 
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