victoms CALIFORNIA registration?

[Lorenz]

Has anybody gotten caught with an out of state plate/registration and CALIFORNIA drivers license and had to pay the fines?



looked through the forums and people know people who know people who got caught and say they were in deep with dmv and the tax board, but i want to know the facts.



What does it cost to be a California resident in possion of a HO register in your name out of state?



What the hang up when i try to bring it in to cali with org plates and registration in my name after 90 days and 7501 miles on it.



thanks ahead of time for the use of the brain trust in TDR

 

[DieselPuter]

nope........

I have lived in CA and had out of state plates (ND / SD) and a california licence for 9 years and never had a problem, given several tickets and nothing was said. My theory was run out of state until I got busted and never was. Did go with CA plates 6 months ago for business reasons... ...



Just my two cents... ... ... ...

 

[Lorenz]

huh

so it can be done?

 

[MMeier]

Heard somewhere awhile back that it is OK for a U. S. citizen to have two primary addresses, anyone else ?

 

[JWhitcomb]

What's this victum crap. If you live here, you pay the fees just like the rest of us. Its one thing to get a good price out of state and another to try and cheat on your fees.

 

[plntmgr]

I'm a CA resident, but have a corporation in MT. Being retired, my vehicle is out of the state for more that 6 months and 1 day per year. This is legal under CA law. Ron at 1-888-777-5032 set up everythig for me. Maybe he can help you.

 

[JKibby]

Originally posted by SLorenzen

What does it cost to be a California resident in possion of a HO register in your name out of state?



What the hang up when i try to bring it in to cali with org plates and registration in my name after 90 days and 7501 miles on it.

To address these two questions. The cost if you get caught varies based on many factors but rest assured they (DMV) will access the largest penalty possible. If you want to get some info I have found some people at AAA to be very helpful.



Next, If you try to "import" a vehicle, that you purchased new and registered out of state while possessing a CA. drivers license, after 7,500 on the Od. CA. can do a couple of things, none of which are pretty. CA. is looking for this and can disallow registration and force you to remove the vehicle from this state. Since CA. wants your money in a bad way they most likely will find a monetary way out of this problem for you.

 

[ACerf]

Out of State HO

IF YOU BUY AN HO OUT OF STATE IT CAN NOT BE IN YOUR NAME AS THE ORIGINAL OWNER, AND IT MUST HAVE 7500 MILES. IF YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, OWN PROPERTY AND PAY TAXES HERE, YOU ARE A CALIFORNIAN. THE REG SAY YOU ARE NOT ALLOW TO PURCHASE NEW VEHICLES OUTSIDE THE STATE!

 

[Lorenz]

Originally posted by JWhitcomb

What's this victum crap. If you live here, you pay the fees just like the rest of us. Its one thing to get a good price out of state and another to try and cheat on your fees.

15-30%income taxs. Mine are 4. 9% fed, 5. 07%state, 6. 20%soc sec, 1. 45%medicare, 5. 08% ca sdi. 7. 85% sales tax, 3% property tax per year, mello roos on a new neighborhood housing for the first 20 yrs of ownership, 18. 9cents fed 18 cents state tax on a gallon of gas=24%, @5% x3 car registration fees per year(illegal tax that arnold might take care of), $2 used tire disposal fee, ungodly workers comp program fees if you own a buisness (even costco is contemplating leaving the state if its not fixed). Democrts still crying because our schools are in peices, Cruz Bustamante says there arent any text books, the fires are so big because we dont pay enough taxes and thats just shooting from the hip.



Your grandfathers grandfather threw some tea into the harbor and called it a party, we just pay it..... no, ill take it back. Its not paid,its taken from our check, added to our bills and taken at the pump.



ps. I havent bought the truck yet but i hear OR doesnt have sales tax and its $62 for 4 yrs of car registration...

 

[Duck]

Originally posted by SLorenzen

15-30%income taxs. Mine are 4. 9% fed, 5. 07%state, 6. 20%soc sec, 1. 45%medicare, 5. 08% ca sdi. 7. 85% sales tax, 3% property tax per year, mello roos on a new neighborhood housing for the first 20 yrs of ownership, 18. 9cents fed 18 cents state tax on a gallon of gas=24%, @5% x3 car registration fees per year(illegal tax that arnold might take care of), $2 used tire disposal fee, ungodly workers comp program fees if you own a buisness (even costco is contemplating leaving the state if its not fixed). Democrts still crying because our schools are in peices, Cruz Bustamante says there arent any text books, the fires are so big because we dont pay enough taxes and thats just shooting from the hip.



Your grandfathers grandfather threw some tea into the harbor and called it a party, we just pay it..... no, ill take it back. Its not paid,its taken from our check, added to our bills and taken at the pump.

Right on

 

[JKibby]

Re: Out of State HO

Originally posted by ACerf

IF YOU BUY AN HO OUT OF STATE IT CAN NOT BE IN YOUR NAME AS THE ORIGINAL OWNER, AND IT MUST HAVE 7500 MILES. IF YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, OWN PROPERTY AND PAY TAXES HERE, YOU ARE A CALIFORNIAN. THE REG SAY YOU ARE NOT ALLOW TO PURCHASE NEW VEHICLES OUTSIDE THE STATE!

NOT TRUE! There are ways around this but you have to be careful and through in the process.



7500 mile rule ONLY applies to Californians who purchase a used truck out of state and want to "import. " Not people who live in CA. but have an out of state address and use this for their registration BUT your drivers license MUST match your plates (same state. ) I purchased my truck new registered it in Oregon waited 6 months (time required by most states to be a resident) and transfered to CA. and yes it is an '03 HO/6spd!Oo.

 

[JKibby]

Originally posted by SLorenzen

15-30%income taxs. Mine are 4. 9% fed, 5. 07%state, 6. 20%soc sec, 1. 45%medicare, 5. 08% ca sdi. 7. 85% sales tax, 3% property tax per year, mello roos on a new neighborhood housing for the first 20 yrs of ownership, 18. 9cents fed 18 cents state tax on a gallon of gas=24%, @5% x3 car registration fees per year(illegal tax that arnold might take care of), $2 used tire disposal fee, ungodly workers comp program fees if you own a buisness (even costco is contemplating leaving the state if its not fixed). Democrts still crying because our schools are in peices, Cruz Bustamante says there arent any text books, the fires are so big because we dont pay enough taxes and thats just shooting from the hip.



Your grandfathers grandfather threw some tea into the harbor and called it a party, we just pay it..... no, ill take it back. Its not paid,its taken from our check, added to our bills and taken at the pump.



ps. I havent bought the truck yet but i hear OR doesnt have sales tax and its $62 for 4 yrs of car registration...

This is all because the liberals in this country and especially California think it is OK to reach into YOUR pocket and take your money and give it to someone who thinks they deserve it. I think there was a story written about this Phenomenon, OOOOH yea Robin hood. But instead of the rich they target the middle class!

 

[ACerf]

Out of State HO

You need to read my posting again! The State Reg. 43151 thru 43156 page A-179 was written for the purpose of not allowing "Californians" to buy "New Vehicle out of State"! The fact that your truck has 7500 miles on it does not mean that you can bring the truck into the state if you are a Resident of California! That truck has to have someone elses name on the registration originally that is not a Californian! A new out of state vehicle bought by a California resident is just not legal! If you have an out of state residence and an out of state license this law has nothing to do with you! However, if own a home, pay property tax here, and pay state income tax, this makes you a Californian! If you have an outside residence and license, you have beat the system, otherwise you are breaking the law. It as simple as that!

I work in the RV business and I have heard of many people trying to beat the system, and end up paying thousands in fines. In Oreagon if you are not a legal resident you are could pay twice the price of your truck in fines!:--)

 

[JWhitcomb]

Originally posted by SLorenzen

15-30%income taxs. Mine are 4. 9% fed, 5. 07%state, 6. 20%soc sec, 1. 45%medicare, 5. 08% ca sdi. 7. 85% sales tax, 3% property tax per year, mello roos on a new neighborhood housing for the first 20 yrs of ownership, 18. 9cents fed 18 cents state tax on a gallon of gas=24%, @5% x3 car registration fees per year(illegal tax that arnold might take care of), $2 used tire disposal fee, ungodly workers comp program fees if you own a buisness (even costco is contemplating leaving the state if its not fixed). Democrts still crying because our schools are in peices, Cruz Bustamante says there arent any text books, the fires are so big because we dont pay enough taxes and thats just shooting from the hip.



So does all that mean you are paying better than 66% of your income out in taxes? If it does you need to talk to a good money manager. I am guessing that you think Californians (if you are one since you don't say it or put it in your sig. ) are over taxed and we should stop all the things we enjoy that are provided by thru taxes.



We have a pretty good system of roads but without gas taxes they would just be ruts. We have pretty clean air, once again payed for by tax money. We spend 50% of the tax money on education, I guess we could just not send them to school and become a third world state.



Damm, $2 to get rid of a old tire, why spend the money when you can just light off a pile down wind of town.



Fires, in order to take action in the future to try to prevent the holocost that is currently taking place we will need to spend money. Of course that money is tax money. Pretty hard to stop the huge property loss when people keep moving into the hills.

 

[Badunit]

That seems a little draconian, even for CA. It might be helpful if someone would post the actual statute(s)/regulation(s), word for word, here.

 

[Bobalos]

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/



hth's

Bob

 

[Lorenz]

Originally posted by JWhitcomb



So does all that mean you are paying better than 66% of your income out in taxes? If it does you need to talk to a good money manager. I am guessing that you think Californians (if you are one since you don't say it or put it in your sig. ) are over taxed and we should stop all the things we enjoy that are provided by thru taxes.



We have a pretty good system of roads but without gas taxes they would just be ruts. We have pretty clean air, once again payed for by tax money. We spend 50% of the tax money on education, I guess we could just not send them to school and become a third world state.



Damm, $2 to get rid of a old tire, why spend the money when you can just light off a pile down wind of town.



Fires, in order to take action in the future to try to prevent the holocost that is currently taking place we will need to spend money. Of course that money is tax money. Pretty hard to stop the huge property loss when people keep moving into the hills. [/B]

ok, the last thing i want to do in a diesel forum is to argue about taxes. But dad,... . he started it!



66% thats cute. I thought twisting, and manipulating the text only happen with the Bible. But i see anybody can make anything say whatever he wants it to say, if you torture the text enough.



With income tax and sales tax alone we come close to a 40% tax bracket if your in the "upper class" (family income of 86k/yr). We can knock it down by paying interest on your home mortgage, giving to church,charity,and other not-for-profit organizations. bottom line were the highest taxed state in all the nation and with your ignorance its only getting worse. thanks to the majority of the voting public who recalled a democrat and voted in a fiscal conservative Governor, things may get better.



Roads are fine throughout the rest of the nation were taxes are lower. Believe it or not even the revenue made by the clean air resources board and the bureau of automotive repair is siphoned off into the general fund that's 38 billion in debt the last time Davis counted.



In regards to the fires we have the Canadians, navy, military, civilian and other resources that are shunned away by our over worked and under manned CDF (California department of forestry). Please Don't believe the liberal spin that we needed a higher tax revenue to stomp out the fires, we need the help and resources that CDF is unwilling to use. Waste is rampant in California, thing could be done more efficiently. Take a listen to AM radio, quit listening to your local evening new, and quit reading you liberal paper. I tried to be nice but you hit a hot spot...



Ive found that trying to convince anybody of something they dont want to believe is impossible, in the very literal sense of the word impossible... So, I concede publicly and say YOU WIN. I truly believe your trying your darnedest to be a good man JWHITCOMB, may god bless you.



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[Lorenz]

7 Q Why did my vehicle registration renewal fees increase this year? I thought the fees depreciated as the vehicle became older.

A Vehicle license fees depreciate over an 11-year period. However, renewal fees paid last year reflected a 67. 5% VLF offset. VLF offsets were suspended, effective with vehicle license fees that became due on or after October 1, 2003.

8 Q What is the minimum/maximum amount that may be charged for VLF?

A The minimum amount of VLF for any vehicle is one dollar ($1). The maximum amount depends on the value of the vehicle.

9 Q My neighbor received a VLF offset for his vehicle registration that expired in September 2003. My notice does not reflect an offset. Why is this?

A VLF offsets were suspended effective with fees that are due on or after October 1, 2003. Vehicles with fees that are due prior to October 1, 2003, will not be affected until the next renewal period. Your vehicle registration expired after October 1, 2003.

10 Q Can I make payments?

A No. However if your billing notice indicates that you are eligible to renew your registration via the Internet (www.dmv.ca.gov), you may charge the fee on your credit card. Or you may also call DMV at 1-800-777-0133 to renew by phone using a credit card.

11 Q Fees are so high. What can I do?

A The law requires all fees to be paid before the vehicle is driven, moved, or left standing on a public highway or in a public off street parking facility (CVC 400). To avoid penalties, fees must either be paid or the vehicle removed from the road prior to the date the fees are due. If the vehicle is to be removed from the road, the owner must file a Planned Non-Operation with DMV. Before the vehicle is operated, the registration fees must be paid.











QUESTION # 11 IS THE KICKER

Q and A is from the CALIFORNIA DMV web site (copy and paste)

Our registration is esentially tripled with this "fee"

 

[Dkevdog]

Don't worry about the DMV fees, your "fiscal Conservative Governor" (AKA Republican puppet Mr. Terminator) is gonna take care of all of that for us.



I was born and raised here. The state is a complete joke, politically and financially. But those of you who choose to "dodge" (pun intended ) taxes are only biting the hand that feeds you. No body is thrilled about the current situations here, but I have news for all who are so upset about it- The borders are wide open and you're free to leave anytime.



Heck if it gets any worse, I might just be one of those making a run for the Border.



Kev

 

[JKibby]

Re: Out of State HO

Originally posted by ACerf

You need to read my posting again! The State Reg. 43151 thru 43156 page A-179 was written for the purpose of not allowing "Californians" to buy "New Vehicle out of State"!

I don't need to read your post again, I know what the State of California says! Your statements are true but there are people who want an engine not offered in CA. There are also people who live out of state for a period of time and it is LEGAL for an out of state resident to register a vehicle in CA. when they move here! Being that your involved in the RV business in CA. it's obvious that it would not be wise for you to steer someone in this direction! That being said, there are also people who are successful in registering an '03 Cummins High Output engine in CA. and some not successful. Those people who don't do their homework end up with HEAVY fines. There are also people who are looking to get around OUT of CONTROL taxes and registration fees. They must look over their shoulder and that is their choice. I did none of this and I have an '03 Cummins High Output engine Legally registered in CA. OVER and OUT.