Thanks for the tips, Crabman. Been off of PC for awhile, hard disk crash. I guess I'm really not after stump pulling power here. Just a little more torque. I have the auto transmission, the truck is a 2500 4x4. So far, I've used it to tow 10,000 pounds up on top of the mountain I live on here. Does pretty well, but I've read about the programmers and they seemed like an easy way to maybe improve shift points and overall power. The other method I've had described is to install a new "brain" completely. I don't want to sacrifice milage these days. Truck has 75,000 miles on it so it's really just about broken in good. And thanks for the welcome to the site.