Water/meth injection (TDR Home page)

[JThiessen]

Anyone have any experience with systems like this? I wonder about motor longevity with water being injected (more potential for corrosion??). And what issues might the 03/04/05's have that previous models did not???

 

[AndyMan]

A member in our local TDR chapter has an 02. You can do a search on his username to see his profile MEvins. He's running it. Truck turns 12's in the quarter. Of course, getting the tuning right has been an experience. Blown at least one head gasket, I think two. I have also recently heard grumblings of broken somethin-er-other in the motor.



He lives on the edge, and may not be a great example. To summarize, they appear to make scary power. As for longevity, it has always been my philosophy that higer power = shorter total engine life. Regardless of all that, I still think it's awesome!



my . 02.

 

[banshee]

The CR motors will be "better" with water and especially meth because of the retarded timing and stronger HG. Corrosion shouldn't be an issue as long as the motor is run for a while w/o water before shutting down.



John

 

[jelag]

water is a normal by product of combustion... remember on the older cars and trucks the exhaust system used to rust out before the use of stainless steel... the combustion process would leave moisture, water vapor in the exhaust and rust it out... .



Jim

 

[CoastyAV8R]

We used water methanol in one of our older aircraft (Gulfstream 1) and the water/meth is EXTREMELY corrosive. I'm not sure how the Cummins motor would handle it but the plane made 20% more power when we used it but the duration of use was limited to less than a minute because of temps. If any water/meth was spilled while the aircraft was serviced, it was treated like an emergency getting it cleaned up as it would strip paint, remove grease and on bare metal surfaces cause severe etch type corrosion. I would think there would be better ways to make power than using water/meth having seen how much of a pain in the rear it is just to handle the stuff...

 

[GWoody]

We used water methanol in one of our older aircraft (Gulfstream 1) and the water/meth is EXTREMELY corrosive. I'm not sure how the Cummins motor would handle it but the plane made 20% more power when we used it but the duration of use was limited to less than a minute because of temps. If any water/meth was spilled while the aircraft was serviced, it was treated like an emergency getting it cleaned up as it would strip paint, remove grease and on bare metal surfaces cause severe etch type corrosion. I would think there would be better ways to make power than using water/meth having seen how much of a pain in the rear it is just to handle the stuff...

I thought a lot of folks were using winsheild washer fluid for this, that's water and methanol!!!!!

 

[CoastyAV8R]

I'm curious if the kit Snow industries sells uses a different type of water/meth than what aircraft use? I know the stuff we use isn't windshield washer fluid, the guys have to wear a splash shield, rubber apron and rubber gloves to service the aircraft.

 

[GWoody]

Yeah, but don't they treat JP3 the same way and it's nothing more than kerosene??

 

[hasselbach]

water and methanol will not remove paint. I spill it on my race car all the time and it does nothing to the paint.



windshield fluid is water-alcohol mix, big difference.

 

[WPeschel]

water is a normal by product of combustion... remember on the older cars and trucks the exhaust system used to rust out before the use of stainless steel... the combustion process would leave moisture, water vapor in the exhaust and rust it out... .



Jim

If water was a biproduct of combustion then I would be out of a job :{ ... All the fires would put them self out... I think what your talking about is sweating and condensation in the exhaust... .

 

[Sarge]

WPeschel, I just saw your sig. Sorry for your loss. Folks like us share a common bond. Be safe brother... ... ... Sarge

 

[WPeschel]

WPeschel, I just saw your sig. Sorry for your loss. Folks like us share a common bond. Be safe brother... ... ... Sarge[/QUOT

Thanks Sarge you be safe too...

 

[Caveman]

water and methanol will not remove paint. I spill it on my race car all the time and it does nothing to the paint.



windshield fluid is water-alcohol mix, big difference.

Methanol is Methyl Alcohol brainiac

 

[Caveman]

Anybody know if my math is correct. I'm looking for the byproduct of the Methanol+water burn.



If Methanol burns in air forming carbon dioxide and water:



2 CH3OH + 3 O2 → 2 CO2 + 4 H2O



Would Methanol + H20 burn byproduct be



2 CH30H + 3 02 + H20 ==> 2 C02 + 5H20



It seems that methanol comonly used for drag racing produces Carbon Dioxide(C02) + water(H20). So, adding more H20 adds only 25% more water byproduct(4 H20/1 H20). Is this amount significant enough to cause damage

 

[hasselbach]

Methanol is Methyl Alcohol brainiac

Brainiac wishes to teach you:

1. Methanol (methyl alcohol) is produced from the distillation of wood and is a clear, colorless, volatile liquid with a weak odor that is somewhat sweeter than ethanol and alcohol.



Be careful not to confuse ALCOHOL or ETHANOL with METHANOL!



Alcohol and Ethanol is a renewable energy fuel fuel made from sugar crops, such as sugar cane and corn. Methanol, on the other hand is made from fossil fuels such as coal and natural gas.

 

[COMP461]

I'm curious if the kit Snow industries sells uses a different type of water/meth than what aircraft use? I know the stuff we use isn't windshield washer fluid, the guys have to wear a splash shield, rubber apron and rubber gloves to service the aircraft.

I'm an aircraft fire fighter, and have seen people treat normal fluids as if they were hazardous materials, just because of procedures. You might be referring to hydrazine, which is bad stuff, manly used as a fuel for auxiliary power plants on jets. The snow boost cooler runs just plain windshield washer fluid, I have dynod this on the dodge 600 and the results were a gain of over 75 hp with and 160 foot pounds of torque. This was using windshield washer fluid, if you bump up the mix to 50% methanol the hp went up to around 100. The mixture is completely atomized and is turned in to vapor before if gets in to the cylinder.

 

[CoastyAV8R]

I've never heard of hydrazine as our APU's run off of JP5 or JP8. I know there is a lot of bad stuff in an aircraft and can imagine when a plane catches fire the amount of toxins released so as an aircraft crash crew, you have an unenviable task. Working around all the chemicals like hydraulic fluids, fuels, de-greasers, greases and whatever else is in an aircraft, I would say your right about people being overly cautious but the alternative is exposure to toxic chemicals on a daily basis and over a 20 year career, it could kill you. I am glad to hear the Snow water/meth system uses washer fluid, and the results are impressive.



And yes I believe windshield washer fluid won't hurt your paint :-laf

 

[Blakers]

Be careful not to confuse ALCOHOL or ETHANOL with METHANOL! .

Ethanol and Methanol are both types of alcohols. So advising to not confuse alcohol and methanol makes no sense.



Advising to not confuse ethanol and methanol makes lots of sense.



There are other kinds of alcohols out there too: propanol, butanol, etc.

 

[KevinLewis]

Brainiac wishes to teach you:

1. Methanol (methyl alcohol) is produced from the distillation of wood and is a clear, colorless, volatile liquid with a weak odor that is somewhat sweeter than ethanol and alcohol.



Be careful not to confuse ALCOHOL or ETHANOL with METHANOL!



Alcohol and Ethanol is a renewable energy fuel fuel made from sugar crops, such as sugar cane and corn. Methanol, on the other hand is made from fossil fuels such as coal and natural gas.

I thought Methanol and Ethanol were both types of alcohol? One being made from wood the other from corn?

 

[msperos]

All this talk :-{} of alcohol is making me thirsty Jack Daniels the sweeter mix